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Confused ? You will be after tonight's episode of The Site.
I was thinking Annie too. That's because she blanked out one of her posts on pg2 of this thread, like she gave herself away and is now trying to cover it up.
I am not depressedgal or avater of agony so don't get them involved!
If its two computers in the same house, linking through the same router, then they would both show up as having the same IP anyway.
I have the same IP everytime it ddoesn't change I say Allah I am not depressedgal or avatar of agony and if I lie now I will get so badly sinnned so please beelive me that I am not DepressedGal or Avatar Of Agony......
Nope!
yeah your deff not depressedgal, but tbh you got her involved when you went on her site and started stirring because you have done the exact same as you do on here on her site as well and its not fair. I don't understand why there is multiple accounts, why bother?
I say god if I lie now I will get so badly sinnned so please beelive me that pigs can fly.
Now this is a personal view, but if you were that committed a Muslim, would you have to preach it to back yourself up in here if accused of lying? You should have faith enough in your convictions.
I don't either. Yes, on nother forum I do have 2 accounts; but that's more "I wanted to post something and don't want people who know me, to know it's me".
I know its difficult when you want to help but feel like your getting the piss taken out of you, but surely its better to give the benefit of the doubt and give advice anyway (surely if its bothering you that much there is an ignore button for you to use) and let the mods do their jobs. Not to mention what kinda of atmosphere is this creating for new people who come along and see a big group attacking a this one individual.
Personally i'd rather we were giving out good advice even if the poster may not be genuine so that genuine posters who come along later can get the benefit rather than attacking someone who we dont even know if they are being dishonest.
just my 2p
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I've been staying out of this, because I really don't think this is the way to handle it. I thought the same as you guys, but PMed a mod weeks ago instead of creating this whole public thing.
At the end of the day, this is still a young girl who may or may not have some pretty serious problems. And this ganging up and witch hunt isn't really going to help anything. And even if that doesn't concern you, I think the impact of what you're saying on how new visitors view thesite.org should matter to you.
Can we just maybe leave this thread for now and end the debate? I'm sure the mods will be along soon anyway.
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I'm pretty sure they are aware of the situation especially if you have already PMed them. They will deal with it, we can't.
I saw the website before is was shut down, and what annoyed me was that the user had a lot of posts about depression, and none about her abuse, which leads me to believe it isn't true. This user can do what they want, it's no skin off my nose and the user clearly has issues,, but to lie quite blatantly about a few things that really affect people makes me angry. Anywhoo. I'm leaving well alone now.
People's anger and frustration is noted, as is the current situation, but, at the end of the day, we would like to be able to give people the benefit of the doubt and, if they are using the boards in a more reasonable manner, to support where we can rather than question.
Thanks,
Fostress
I'm just going to re-open this thread to update you on the situation and give people the chance to comment. I hope the following will make sense.
It had not escaped our attention that **Annie** was somehow linked to Hollyboo, tish tash et al and so here I'll try and explain what happened.
The way that **Annie** joined this time - initially as Alarna - getting to know people through live chat and posting constructively gave us an opportunity to try something we rarely do which is to give someone the chance to seek help under a clean slate having received quite a few emails about the best way to use TheSite.org. When this started, we noticed that people were relating to her well and there was a sense that a more honest approach was being taken from her perspective. As her relationship to other closed accounts became more obvious some people got in touch with us individually (Via PM) thank you to those people. In these cases, our response was that in the spirit of TheSite.org, no matter how difficult someone's problems seem to be, trying to encourage them to continue getting support and posting honestly about their problems would be a good way forward. In hindsight (ahh the beauty of hindsight) at this point we should have posted something letting people know our stance and seeing how things went from there.
Alas, there seems to be a bigger problem here around honesty and use of TheSite.org in **Annie's** circumstances. As frustrations have grown and we've become increasingly aware of the increasingly confusing nature of this account, we have now closed it.
In the spirit of future transparency - here is the email I've just sent **Annie**
Thanks for reading.
Thanks for explaining. I was hoping that you would be able to clarify a couple of other things for me. Although I don't know the ins and outs of the previous users (hollyboo etc) I got the impression from the above email that the reason why these other accounts were banned wasn't as 'simple' as just abusing/harrassing other members of TheSite community (I may have got this wrong though.) From your above email it seems that dishonesty on the individual's account was the reason for the ban, if this were the case, although frustrating for other users in terms of giving advice for someone who potentially doesn't need it, there may be others - present or future - who visit TheSite with similar problems who would benefit from that advice... or parts of it. So the 'banning' of a user and consequent discussion on the boards may put people off seeking help who may need it.
I may have got completely the wrong end of the stick (and apologies if I have) I'm not trying to cause a debate, but was just concerned that the wrong impression could be given by banning users in this way. The fact that so many accounts have been set up by the same individual is concerning in itself and my worry would be that this issue could have been resolved differently.
I'd appreciate it if you could just clarify these points for me. Again apologies if I'm being dense (or if this would have been better suited to PM)
I think Jim mentioned (this was a while ago) that it was more the age thing - Hollyboo et al, appear to be only something like 13. The mods felt that this place wasn't appropriate.
I don't know why Hollyboo got banned originally, but the reason for her banning under **Annie** is what's known as "ban evasion". It happens on deviantART a lot. A banned person creates a 2nd account, which also gets the boot once a mod susses it out. Multiple user accounts is against the Ts & Cs on most web sites.
Like most of you I realised pretty quickly who it really was, but I was interested in how much of her postings this time were better.
I'm not sure how much of the problems she posted about were real but I figured that I wasn't replying for her benefit. I was replying for the anonymous person too scared to register who would read it because it could reflect their own experience of life.
When you respond to a problem on these boards you aren't just replying to an individual, you are replying to everyone else who may have those issues and who really need our help and best advice.
Sometimes I wonder if we all remember that aspect.
Thanks for your comments - they're really welcome at a time like this.
The specific difficulty with the account was erratic posting to the extent that inconsistencies in her experience made it hard to give ongoing advice because people were never quite sure of who they were responding to. It is true though that the general support given was relevant regardless and this time round **Annie** made lots of good posts.
Just to give you more background, the Hollyboo account particularly was really hard to follow as there were ongoing changes in the age of the user ranging from 11-16 and so when this time round **Annie** signed off as Hollyboo, there was concern that again people weren't sure of who they were responding to.
Ideally, as you say, this shouldn't matter. However, in terms of thinking about the wider community, the impact of this can be difficult and it's important that people post with a base level of maturity and mutual respect for their peers to get the most out of their experience on TheSite.org.
The impression of **Annie** is that she's a 14 year-old girl looking for support for a wide range of problems. With that in mind, it's been really tough to close her account on this occasion. At the same time, TheSite.org is a first point of call for support and we can't provide the expert help we feel she needs at the moment, at least not on these boards.
Live chat is still an option for getting emotional support and we'll see how this goes on a case by case basis.
I hope this clarifies a bit more - but do feel free to PM me.