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Snooty anti-smokers

**helen****helen** Deactivated Posts: 9,235 Supreme Poster
Which side of the fence do you sit in the smoking debate, or are you balancing on it?

Take a look at Mariam's views and compare them to yours. :)
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Purist smokers piss me off. I started smoking before I was 16 exactly because of peer pressure, curiosity, family traits and wanting to look cool. Now Mariam infers I was some sort of lesser, second-class, pedestrian smoker. Well fuck you, Mariam. Fuck you and you hoity toity views on smoking.

    I'm joking, of course. Mostly.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Let's get one thing clear here before I start. I don't especially like smoking. I think one would have to be slightly bonkers to start smoking in the first place, given all that we know about its numerous negative effects on a person's health.

    Regardless, it's not for me to choose what others should do with their bodies. If someone wishes to smoke, that is entirely their choice to make. So when I do come across some self-important cocktrumpet who thinks smokers are simply vermin, I'm tempted to take up smoking simply to express solidarity with those who have to put up with this crap. Yet these very same people are often the ones who talk about how we should be more tolerant about other drugs, particularly illegal ones. Yes, I'm looking at you lot in the medical profession. You hypocritical bastards.

    Plenty of fire can also be aimed at the Government on this one. New Labour believed smokers should be treated as utter fucking scum - although not even they were stupid enough to say this in public. They increased the tax on cigarettes every single year. They were also the ones who legislated to ban tobacco displays in shops - but they're still happy enough to take all the tax that smokers pay. Just one of the many "we'll have our cake, eat it and have another one whilst you're at it" example from those cunts. And I see no evidence that this ConDem-Ned coalition is going to change this.

    Neither do I see evidence that they're going to scrap the smoking ban. If they wish to apply it across the public sector, fair enough. It's their buildings, their property, their rules. But I see no reason why the private sector should be forced to ban smoking from their premises as well. It should be their choice - provided that clear signage is displayed on the premises stating whether smoking is permitted there or not.

    The Irish Grandad recently said on his blog that smokers are "the new nigger". As politically incorrect as that sounds, I can't help but think he's got a point.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Contrary to belief, I don't smoke to be part of the crowd or to be cool.

    No, you smoke because you're addicted to tobacco.

    Seriously though, who looked at all of the photos of this person and picked that one as a profile shot?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    Neither do I see evidence that they're going to scrap the smoking ban. If they wish to apply it across the public sector, fair enough. It's their buildings, their property, their rules. But I see no reason why the private sector should be forced to ban smoking from their premises as well. It should be their choice - provided that clear signage is displayed on the premises stating whether smoking is permitted there or not.

    Basic employment law. Employers have to provide a safe environment for people to work in. The evidence suggests that smoking indoors creates an environment deemed unsafe, therefore it is not allowed. In principle, it's no different from health and safety regulations in any other industry.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    If someone wishes to smoke, that is entirely their choice to make. .

    well, quite. we know more than enough about the dangers of smoking to allow eachother freedom of choice without being judgemental. if someone wants to smoke then it's up to them. as long as they are outside and not blowing it all over me then i couldn't care less. i won't be full of sympathy if they get a smoking-related illness, but they know that risk and i respect that.

    what really pisses me off though is mums who smoke whilst pushing prams and thus blowing smoke all over their children, and people who have several fag breaks a day at work, giving them far more frequent rest stops than everyone else.

    i do think that smokers have been shunned in society. but i wouldn't undo the smoking ban for anything, it makes eating and drinking out so much more pleasant for non-smokers.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    My nan was a lifelong smoker since underaged and she made it to 94.

    I'm not a smoker and never had smoked, but people smoking around me doesn't bother me. As long as it isn't forced on me then fine. The same goes with drugs, Christianity and pornography. I'm neither for nor against. Just don't force it on me.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I like the way that, when I smoke, my fingers are giving the Vs to the world.
  • **helen****helen** Deactivated Posts: 9,235 Supreme Poster
    Purist smokers piss me off. I started smoking before I was 16 exactly because of peer pressure, curiosity, family traits and wanting to look cool. Now Mariam infers I was some sort of lesser, second-class, pedestrian smoker. Well fuck you, Mariam. Fuck you and you hoity toity views on smoking.

    I'm joking, of course. Mostly.

    :lol:
  • **helen****helen** Deactivated Posts: 9,235 Supreme Poster
    No, you smoke because you're addicted to tobacco.

    Seriously though, who looked at all of the photos of this person and picked that one as a profile shot?

    That was the only one she sent and what she wanted...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Purist smokers piss me off. I started smoking before I was 16 exactly because of peer pressure, curiosity, family traits and wanting to look cool. Now Mariam infers I was some sort of lesser, second-class, pedestrian smoker. Well fuck you, Mariam. Fuck you and you hoity toity views on smoking.

    I'm joking, of course. Mostly.
    Indeed.

    I feel like such a sheep :(.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No missing apostrophes today :( Don't you need me anymore?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I agree with Miriam. It's a vice, but it isn't the business of non smokers to dramatize their dislike for smoking.

    Also, this part cracked me up
    More famously there was the case of Henry Allingham, a World War One veteran who was the oldest man in Britain until the 18th of July 2009 and attributed his long life to "cigarettes, whisky and wild, wild women".

    :lol: A man after my own heart.
  • **helen****helen** Deactivated Posts: 9,235 Supreme Poster
    katralla wrote: »
    No missing apostrophes today :( Don't you need me anymore?

    I think it's because it's a shorter rant so it was easier for me to spot them all...you just wait for another long one to come along. ;)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    **helen** wrote: »
    you just wait for another long one to come along

    :naughty:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't think that smoking is her issue. I think that the big chip on her shoulder is more of a handicap.

    I've been smoking for over 20 years now. I cnnot remember single occassion where I have met the people she describes as "those who stare at smokers in disgust". I do wonder if they stare at her in disgust for other reasons. I can think of few which might apply, just from reading that article.

    As for smoking generally, it's a horrible evil vice. I revel in the fact that it's banned from the workplace and from public buildings. Terrific idea. I look forwared to it being banned from cars too.

    In a few years time she will have lungs like mine and might start to regret her passioned views. However, it is, as she says, her right to be an idiot. Just as it has been mine.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've stopped smoking.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've stopped smoking.

    well done
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've stopped smoking.

    Quitter
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I smoke, so smoking doesn't bother me. Not at all. I really hate people who, when I smoke, sit and tut or make stupid comments. OR pretend to cough really badly.
    It's like.. I'll do what I want, when I want to do it, thank you very much. Got a problem, then piss off!
    Xx
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Smoking can be a selfish habit, as it assumes that the people around you are OK with inhaling the smoke. Essentially, you can be sharing your toxins...

    So I can see why people could be anti-smoking.

    Though to be honest, I find people chewing loudly, or bad breath more offensive than being around smokers.

    Tbh I don't think the article makes much of a point. I only know one person who outwardly has an issue with smokers (seriously)... There are far worse forms of discrimination out there.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The premise of the article is worthy enough I guess. However, instead of coming across like an opressed minority (which smokers doubtless are), she comes across as a foot stamping brat. There's no real thrust or meaning to what she's written. At the end, the only discernable conclusion I could draw from it is that she likes smoking. I'm fairly sure there was more to it, but I'll be buggered if I could figure it out.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I smoke, so smoking doesn't bother me. Not at all. I really hate people who, when I smoke, sit and tut or make stupid comments. OR pretend to cough really badly.
    It's like.. I'll do what I want, when I want to do it, thank you very much. Got a problem, then piss off!
    Xx

    In fairness, the tutting may be more due to the fact that you're obviously too young to be smoking. And that's not me saying you're too young, it's the law saying that.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I dont mind people smoking in general, although im glad its been banned in public buildings
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    And that's not me saying you're too young, it's the law saying that.

    not to mention common sense.

    Coincidentally Thunderstruck the gentleman in your profile had some interesting thoughts on this issue.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9ySCcnoo3c&feature=related
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    In fairness, the tutting may be more due to the fact that you're obviously too young to be smoking. And that's not me saying you're too young, it's the law saying that.

    Noo, I mean from my friends. Most my mates smoke anyway, but there is only one other year 8 who I know that does, so if I start smoking at school all the other year 8s I know go way OTT and tell me I'm going to die etc. That winds me up.
    Xx
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The premise of the article is worthy enough I guess. However, instead of coming across like an opressed minority (which smokers doubtless are),
    Are you joking?

    When I was a smoker, I never felt oppressed, even during the ban.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I smoke, I like smoking, I'm not stopping smoking until I'm ready or until I physically can't afford it anymore. Smoking is one of the least destructive things I've done in my life, and it has been a saviour at times. I've seen lung cancer and what it does, I know the risks and I'm taking them. That's all I have to say on that :wave:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's people's right to smoke, but should be done in separated areas.

    Nobody needs to smoke, but then nobody needs to eat fast food. Should this be illegal also? KFC, Subway, Burger King, etc. all sell nutritionally bad foods, which eaten in large quantities are harmful. People eat food largely for taste, but for the most part humans eat food for nutrition and to sustain ourselves.

    Eating lots of fast food can lead to cardiovascular diseases, so there is a clear parallel between that and smoking.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    MoK wrote: »
    I don't think that smoking is her issue. I think that the big chip on her shoulder is more of a handicap.

    I've been smoking for over 20 years now. I cnnot remember single occassion where I have met the people she describes as "those who stare at smokers in disgust". I do wonder if they stare at her in disgust for other reasons. I can think of few which might apply, just from reading that article.

    As for smoking generally, it's a horrible evil vice. I revel in the fact that it's banned from the workplace and from public buildings. Terrific idea. I look forwared to it being banned from cars too.

    In a few years time she will have lungs like mine and might start to regret her passioned views. However, it is, as she says, her right to be an idiot. Just as it has been mine.

    Even if there only is the driver in the car?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    kira wrote: »
    It's people's right to smoke, but should be done in separated areas.

    Nobody needs to smoke, but then nobody needs to eat fast food. Should this be illegal also? KFC, Subway, Burger King, etc. all sell nutritionally bad foods, which eaten in large quantities are harmful. People eat food largely for taste, but for the most part humans eat food for nutrition and to sustain ourselves.

    Eating lots of fast food can lead to cardiovascular diseases, so there is a clear parallel between that and smoking.
    People around you aren't affected when you eat fast food (apart from the smell).
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