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300 British troops now dead...

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Franki wrote: »
    That didn't take long, G ;)

    :confused:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Cos he's a cunt, who didn't give a fuck about his mates. He was a loggie for fuck's sake, not inf.
    He is against the illegal immoral war of aggression in Afghanistan and that is what counts most!

    Have a go at the guys in the armed forces who haven't got the guts to speak out against the war!
    http://www.stopwar.org.uk
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Cos he's a cunt, who didn't give a fuck about his mates. He was a loggie for fuck's sake, not inf. The only PTSD he suffered was where to put the tin cans in the storeroom

    Pretty judgemental there :confused:. How can you be certain to his mental state?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Goldsword wrote: »
    He is against the illegal immoral war of aggression in Afghanistan and that is what counts most!

    Have a go at the guys in the armed forces who haven't got the guts to speak out against the war!

    Maybe the rest of them just get on with the job they signed up to do.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    G-Raffe wrote: »
    Maybe the rest of them just get on with the job they signed up to do.

    You're wasting your time trying to debate with him. Search for threads where the Username "Steelgate" is involved and you'll see why. He rarely engages in debate, just posts links to other sites which he thinks back up his argument.

    Failing that you could search for the names Stealgate, Stea1gate, Harlequin or Rockwell. It's all the same person.

    He'll get banned again soon.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ShyBoy wrote: »
    Pretty judgemental there :confused:. How can you be certain to his mental state?

    Possibly I am judgemental. however, after dealing with a number of real cases of PTSD I'm unconvinced that going off to Australia and SE Asia backpacking, joining the anti-war protests and when charged deciding to claim you had PTSD fits the pattern. The court martial agreed...

    And I'm judgemental because I've dealt with PTSD and it belittles the real suffering it causes brave men for him to use it to try and justify his behaviour. I and hundreds of thousands like me have gone to nasty, shitty places and not all have returned, we didn't break our oaths or let down our colleagues.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    G-Raffe wrote: »
    Maybe the rest of them just get on with the job they signed up to do.
    What job is that killing and maiming people in Afghanistan? The soliders who refuse to speak out against the illegal Afghan war are all war criminals with blood on their hands! :mad:

    Watch this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oabqz05inE
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/13/afghanistan-uk-soldier-deaths

    Interesting article from an ex-SAS soldier and trainer of the Afghan army.

    No amount of 'surges' are going to stop this - you can't bomb culture out of people.

    How far it its generalisible is anyone's guess, but the indication that the some saw the Russians as preferable to the Americans is alarming.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Goldsword wrote: »
    What job is that killing and maiming people in Afghanistan? The soliders who refuse to speak out against the illegal Afghan war are all war criminals with blood on their hands! :mad:

    Watch this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oabqz05inE

    On what basis is the Afghan conflict "illegal"?

    This might be a good counter argument
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    MoK wrote: »
    On what basis is the Afghan conflict "illegal"?
    It is totally illegal because Afghanistan did not attack America! And international law forbids any state from waging aggresive war!

    Not one 9/11 hijacker was from Afghanistan! The Tablian offered to hand over Osama Bin Laden the claimed mastermind of the 9/11 attacks if they were given evidence of his planning the attacks by America. America refused to show any evidence to the Afghan government so they refused their request to hand him over.

    Therefore was no excuse for war against Afghanistan at all as the Afghan government was not being unreasonable. Further more under international law what to do in the wake of the 9/11 attacks was up to the United Nations not the USA.

    Also in any war adequate precautions have to be taken to avoid civlian casualties but America used cluster bombs and depleted uranium shells which caused thousands of unnecessary civilian deaths and injuries.
    http://www.stopwar.org.uk
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Goldsword wrote: »
    Further more under international law what to do in the wake of the 9/11 attacks was up to the United Nations not the USA.

    1. Which international law?
    2. ISAF

    www.thruthaboutstopthewar.org
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Goldsword wrote: »
    It is totally illegal because Afghanistan did not attack America! And international law forbids any state from waging aggresive war!

    Not one 9/11 hijacker was from Afghanistan! The Tablian offered to hand over Osama Bin Laden the claimed mastermind of the 9/11 attacks if they were given evidence of his planning the attacks by America. America refused to show any evidence to the Afghan government so they refused their request to hand him over.

    Therefore was no excuse for war against Afghanistan at all as the Afghan government was not being unreasonable. Further more under international law what to do in the wake of the 9/11 attacks was up to the United Nations not the USA.

    Also in any war adequate precautions have to be taken to avoid civlian casualties but America used cluster bombs and depleted uranium shells which caused thousands of unnecessary civilian deaths and injuries.
    http://www.stopwar.org.uk

    We are there at the invitation of the government, so cant really be a war can it.

    Also not that many countries recognised the legitimacy of the taliban rule.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    G-Raffe wrote: »
    We are there at the invitation of the government, so cant really be a war can it.
    A puppet government set up by the USA. 90 per cent of the population of Afghanistan want all allied troops to leave the country immediatly. That is why there is growing resistance to the presence of allied troops in Afghanistan which is getting stronger by the day!

    The Afghan war was totally illegal because Afghanistan did not attack America on 9/11! It is illegal to wage a war against a country which has not attacked your country first.
    http://www.stopwar.org.uk
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Again, under which interantional law, in what court of law?

    www.stopstopwar.org
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I know.

    What law and what court of law though?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    MoK wrote: »
    What law and what court of law though?

    Steelgate ?

    Are you sure it is not Attorney General Lord Goldsmith (circa July 2002), and you are really Tony Blair ?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    MoK wrote: »
    Again, under which interantional law, in what court of law?
    The United Nations! Under international UN agreements it is illegal for a country to wage war against another country unless it has been attacked first.

    Afghanistan has never attacked America therefore America was wrong to declare war on Afghanistan in 2001.

    The group that attacked America in 9/11 Al Qaeda is a loose network of muslim terrorist spread across the world not a country. You cannot fight a terrorist network by singling out one country like Afghanistan and attacking it.
    http://www.stopwar.org.uk
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Goldsword wrote: »
    The United Nations! Under international UN agreements it is illegal for a country to wage war against another country unless it has been attacked first.

    So, under which court and which law.

    It alright trotting out the same accusation each time I mention this, Stealgate, but you haven't actually answered. I know what the UN Charter says but you haven't answered the question.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Under the international criminal court! The same court that tried Slobodon Milsovic from war crimes in Bosnia! This court: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court

    The politicians who are responsible for starting the Afghan war are war criminals! :mad:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    That court was created in July 2002 and can only try cases where the crime was committed on or after that date.

    When did the war in Afghanistan begin? October 2001

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    MoK wrote: »
    That court was created in July 2002 and can only try cases where the crime was committed on or after that date.
    When did the war in Afghanistan begin? October 2001
    Millosevic was tried for war crime committed in Bosnia from 1992 until late 1995! So cases before 2002 can be tried there.

    By the war remember all you people who support the war in Afghanistan have blood on your hands! Tens of thousands of innocent Afghan civilians are being killed and horrifically maimed because of you people! :mad:
    http://www.stopwar.org.uk
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Goldsword wrote: »
    Millosevic was tried for war crime committed in Bosnia from 1992 until late 1995! So cases before 2002 can be tried there.

    From the link which you provided:
    The court came into being on 1 July 2002 — the date its founding treaty, the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, entered into force — and it can only prosecute crimes committed on or after that date. The official seat of the court is in The Hague, Netherlands, but its proceedings may take place anywhere.

    Milosevic was not tried in that court. His case came under the juristriction of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia.

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well your stupid war in Afghanitan will surely fail! Mark my words the western armies will be defeated in Afghanistan by January 2013 at the latest!

    Most sensible people now recognise that the war in Afghanistan is total disaster which never should have been started! :mad:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Goldsword wrote: »
    Well your stupid war in Afghanitan will surely fail!

    My war?

    Does that mean I will be up on war crime charges too?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Um, Goldsword, you do realise that it isn't just MoK's war? He isn't personally and single handedly 'killing and horrifically maiming tens of thousands of innocent Afghan civilians.'
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    grace wrote: »
    Um, Goldsword, you do realise that it isn't just MoK's war? He isn't personally and single handedly 'killing and horrifically maiming tens of thousands of innocent Afghan civilians.'

    Unless Call Of Duty is actually real :chin:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    They have allready said that British troops will start to withdraw by 2015.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    321 now :(
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    G-Raffe wrote: »
    They have allready said that British troops will start to withdraw by 2015.
    Why not start withdrawing them right now? It would save a lot more lives on both sides and billions of pounds too. Instead our politicians are so stupid they say we have to fight a disasterous immoral war for another four and a half years. Why?
    http://www.stopwar.org.uk
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