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It really is about time someone does something about this abominable regime
BillieTheBot
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/31/israel-accused-state-terrorism-assault-flotilla-gaza
Words fucking, cunting fail me.
Never mind the countless breaches of international law. Never mind the nearly half-a-century long illegal occupation of other people's land. Never mind the atrocious crimes against humanity commited against same people in tha period. Never mind its illegal nuclear weapons programme. Never mind its giving other (despicable) remiges nuclear weapons, as it did to Apartheid-era South Africa.
And now, never mind the murdering of peace activitists delivering aid to a people who are going through a living hell like few others in human history.
When will somebody finally stand up those motherfucking, sadistic bastards that are the Israeli government and armed forces? How many more crimes against fucking humanity are we going to put with with while calling the Israeli regime 'our allies' and allow them to participate in the international arena as if it was a normal, acceptable regime?
I'm sick to fucking death. I really am :mad:
Words fucking, cunting fail me.
Never mind the countless breaches of international law. Never mind the nearly half-a-century long illegal occupation of other people's land. Never mind the atrocious crimes against humanity commited against same people in tha period. Never mind its illegal nuclear weapons programme. Never mind its giving other (despicable) remiges nuclear weapons, as it did to Apartheid-era South Africa.
And now, never mind the murdering of peace activitists delivering aid to a people who are going through a living hell like few others in human history.
When will somebody finally stand up those motherfucking, sadistic bastards that are the Israeli government and armed forces? How many more crimes against fucking humanity are we going to put with with while calling the Israeli regime 'our allies' and allow them to participate in the international arena as if it was a normal, acceptable regime?
I'm sick to fucking death. I really am :mad:
Beep boop. I'm a bot.
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Not all of the facts are in at the moment, but it would appear that there are at least three things Israel needs to answer for at the very least:
1) Tactics - I know fuck all about military strategy by it would appear unbelievably stupid to rappell, visibly armed, into the waiting arms of an angry mob, single file.
Either they were expecting no resistence, in which case they should have proceeded in a more calm fashion, clearly indicating their intentions - or they expected resistence of some kind, in which case their handling of the situation was woefully inept.
2) International waters - once again Israel makes a mockery of international law, putting us all in danger by proxy of playing into the hands of extremist elements. Be-turbaned nutcases everywhere will be rubbing their palms together at the propaganda value.
3) Use of force - Israel has killed citizens of so many nations it's scary: recall the death of James Miller, shot in cold blood by an Israeli sniper; the Lord Goldsmith asked for prosecution of the Soldier in 2007 - Israel ignored him:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Miller_(filmmaker)
Once again I think the lynch pin will be the United States' position, which at the moment is squarely on the fence.
I hope that the people who Israel has in custody are returned home soon, unharmed. I really admire the bravery of the people who'd put themselves up against this madness to help others in dire need.
UPDATE:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/10199808.stm
The Palestinian Solidarity Campaign led a demo against the BBC in Manchester - windows smashed, attempted storming of the building etc.
I've been on the PSC website - all they've done is call for a demo, I can see absolutely nothing about biased reporting by the Beeb, not even a reason or evidence.
The BBC don't even appear to be reporting anything different from the other major news outlets...strange.
Umm, no. They are within international law to enforce their blockade in international waters.
They also made plenty of effort to persuade the ships to deliver their aid by their approved route - again within international law. Th ships deliberately entered into this confrontation with Israel, in order to either break the blockade - because if Israel failed to enforce the blockade it would become illegal for them to continue trhe land based blockade - or to provoke this kid of anti-Israel backlash.
@ Thunderstruck: if you are talking about the 'Violence on the high seas' one then I would hardly call that 'very good'.
As anyone reading it can plainly see, it is full of suppositions, lacks any attempt to source evidence for it's claims, and most problematically makes reference to 'intelligence' about munitions as if it were a near certainty.
I find this claim in particular hard to believe because why would you put munitions onto a ship which had a very high likelyhood of being challenged and intercepted, in a highly visible way. The result would most likely be lost munitions and lost credibility for the palestinian cause-when they could more easily and effectively make use of te tunnel systems which have seemed to work reasonably well thus far.
It's a terrible editorial (and no, it's not the only one) and a particularly bad example of armchair journalism.
I also note the most reccomended comment beneath it responds to the claim that Israel has the right to defend itself with 'so do the Palestinians'.
Let's see the Israelis allow an unimpeded international investigation if he truth is on their side...
I heard the Israeli ambassador to the UK on Radio 4 this morning and he let it slip that aid ships are allowed through and that these ships are 'searched' on arrival for weapons etc. So why did the Israelis take this line of tactic instead? I have had some sympathy in the past for Israel in it's position with its neighbours but I cannot condone this action on any account. They came looking for a fight and are now are crying 'foul'. If you are attacked, withdraw. Don't shoot ten people dead. It's appalling.
The Israeli gunboats should be treated like the fucking murdering pirates they are.
The video footage of soldiers being clubbed with metal bars would partly support the Israeli version.
That said, I really struggle to find anything which defends their actions no matter how dumbass the "convoy" was in continuing inspite of the warnings they recieved.
if the reports are right - piss poor tactics though and just confirms my view the Israeli military are only regarded as good because the opposition is so shit poor.
But the world chooses to be ignorant, if it was any other country eg. like us, Britain, britain would have support from the world and the truth wouldnt have been distorted.
Ever heard of Operation Flavius?
Well quite but we are talking about degrees of confrontation here. Agree though - as I said, knowing nothing about military tactics I really wonder what the hell was going on there because just from a position of common sense the footage appears to be lunacy.
im talking about nowadays 2010 and this isnt very relatable to this either.
You mean like, what are you supposed to do if armed men start climbing onto your ship?
Its relevant because it shows that when unarmed people are killed, even if they are known terrorists, then the world comdemning the state which was responsible. It also shows that Britain isn't immune to that criticism.
Well the PSC seem to think the BBC are biased toward Israel...
The activists were not unarmed so that really is not relevant to this...
Bullshit.
What weapons? Were you there?
Yeah, because wooden sticks are as deadly as automatic weapons.
Presumably you would have supported the police opening fire on G20 demonstrators last year?
You're having a fucking laugh.
That's an editorial in the Jerusalem Post - now, I expect it wouldn't take to much effort to find the same (or plenty worse) in Arab media, but just look at the phraseology - the last sentence, in particular, and one can see why some people in the middle east might believe Israel to be a proxy of an Imperial aggressor.
That's Robert Fisk in the Independent - which I think is actually a reasonable statement. Not to set the worth of lives of nations against each other, but rather to restate that Israel have killed British citizens before in circumstances where there was no such 'provocation'.
...and just for light relief that's Melanie Phillips penetrating analysis...
The Israelis have a right to stop ships which are a threat to their citizens only, not aid ships. Telling one from the other may need organising (by the UN?), but once done, they can kiss their 'blockade' goodbye.
That said, perhaps we should reserve some judgement until all the facts are in.
No, Israel does enough seriously dodgy stuff that you don't need to start misrepresenting the stuff they don't get wrong. Makes it look like you're irrational, and then anything you say is dismissed because you're just a hater.
Also relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxswkCcNtTM&feature=related
Agree with the first part, and yes there are many other things which Israel is doing which are clearer cut violations.
However, nothing in the preceding statement event remotely suggests that I am being irrational or hate Israel. I said that it is a contestable point of international law, and there are questions around it.
There is nothing irrational about that statement whatsoever, and I have not misrepresented their actions. Anyone reading that statement can clearly see this.
For the record, I'm not devoutly pro-Israel - I went to school with and personally knew Tom Hurndall so I find it hard to support them wholly - however, this is a much more complex issue than the anti-Israelis would have you believe. Weapons get to Hezbollah somehow...
Not via those boats, and the editorial you quoted as 'very good' from The Times was exactly the same thing backwards.
I stand by my view that this and to a slightly lesser extent, Seth Freedman's piece on CiF.
Before you are too quick to issue arm chair condemnations of humanitarian intentions, I'd look at this post at the bottom of the Booth article, which is slightly more nuanced that your dismissal.
I think that's probably a more nuanced reaction to the Lauren Booth piece - there are many different actors in this game, with vastly different agendas.
The boats had already been inspected though.. so unless the weapons were hidden?