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And they will continue to be. Yours?
The chance however decreases. I don't know about you but my idea of a holiday doesn't involve plummeting to the earth in a ball of flames. Anything that reduces that chance is fine by me. If you're that bothered about someone being able to see your goolies then don't fly. Simple.
I was going to say that'd I'd draw the line at cavity searches, but then the idea of some poor fucker having to stare into my shit hole made me laugh, so I'd probably go for that as well.
No, if you're that bothered about dying, you don't fly.
The problem is, they'll be introduced in airports, where peoples fear of flying will boost the TERROR THREAT and they'll accept it as a necessary evil. From there they'll enter general life.
Is it? I mean really? Look at the stats I posted or look at the history of terrorism in the air.
The risk (everything has an element of risk) is so small to be statistically irrelevant. Hell even when terrorism in the air was in its zenith back in the 70s and 80s the actual risk was very small.
There is actually a greater risk of you dying if the plane crashed than as a result of air terrorism.
None of thise cases were, or would necessarily have been, picked up by these scanners. So I question whether this is a "suitable precaution" or whether it gives people the illusion of a precaution.
Risk will never be eliminated. Fine put in scanners. What will you do when the next "risk" highlighted is one which the scanners would not pick up.
Like the plane crashing?
Personally, I like the idea of being treated like an innocent istead of as someone under suspicion. Damn me and my concept of being free.
This :yes:
Anyway... I prefer this idea of a scanner to being searched... by about a million.
Last time I got searched was infront of a whole bunch of my friends - and it was one of the most embarassing moments of my life. Some butch woman started to search me... I laughed nervously and then got yelled at... and then she proceeded to search/pat/grope me even more :grump:
I think it would be less the visual stimulus and more the taboo of being able to see someone intimately without their 'permission' as it were that would be hot.
Although whowhere - do you really think if they dont implement these then we'll all die?
People used to lay down their lives in this country for our freedom, these days we seem to have forgotten what that means.
edit: oh and btw there is already several ways to get round them and put a bomb on the plane if you wanted to. One of my friends mentioned this to a security sergenty person at an airport and they shrugged and said they knew! It's a game, if someone wants to blow up an airplane, they will. Hell, strapping a bomb to themselves and blowing up the security checkpoint when its busy with a couple of hundred people sitting waiting to get patted down and strip searched does a pretty good job of terrorising people doesn't it?
Just the same as bobby's wearing big hats imo.
I never said that or implied it, and you know I didn't.
The scanners will decrease my chance. I don't understand why people are bothered about them, they're much faster and far less intrusive than a full body search which can be done on you already. If airport security wants to strip you naked to search you there's nothing you can do about it anyway. The former is an invasion of privacy sure, the latter? Rubber gloves anyone.
The scanners will slightly decrease the chance. It's not an amount I consider to be worth the cost.
You can completely remove the chance, but you consider that cost to be not worth while.
How and by what factor?
Though they need some grounds to do a full strip search, they dont need grounds to do a body scan.
I'm with others, it may marginally reduce the risk but it significantly infringes on our right to privacy.
We'll only know that over time won't we. Certainly won't increase my chance now will it.:razz:
Actually it might. Because the scanners give a sense of security, other vigilance might be relaxed.
But you know that anyway, don't you. being a PCSO - being "seen" makes people feel safer, so it's OK to cut budgets for actually detecting crime - or heaven forbid, preventing it.
No, arresting/detaining people, seizing nuisance vehicles, confiscating alcohol from underage drinkers, removing trespassers from school sites, doing PSHE lessons and assemblies on the dangers of weapons/knives and being aware of how to use the internet safely are all things that make people feel safer and are all things I've done in the last couple of weeks and have done thousands of times in a career spanning 7 years so far.
Not to mention also attending RTCs, performing first aid on seriously injured/dying people, forcing entry to houses to get to those serious injured/dying/dead people, locating drug dens, organising the warrants to raid those drug dens, grabbing young children who are just about to get hit by a car because they've run into the road, rescuing young children from being savagely beaten at the hands of a gang, reassuring victims of crime, taking first disclosure from rape victims because I was first on scene e.t.c e.tc. e.t.c..
But of course, I'm only a PCSO. So you keep believing all the crap you read in the paper about how we're only "seen" and don't actually do anything.
And yes, you've touched a nerve. Fucks me right off when people like you assume we just walk around hassling photographers and picking on people who drop litter.
HOW could you do that ??? :crying: :crying: Haha XD
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I am of the belief that the scanners as well as helping people feel safer will actually make people safer. You disagree with that, but then you don't travel by plane anyway....
Then it must be the area you live in. It touches a nerve when people ASSUME things about me without having met me or worked with me. But then when people base their assumptions on an entire group of people simply because they've had a bad experience with the minority, it tends to piss most people off.
If you haven't then fine, fair enough. The fact that PCSOs across the country are given wildly differing powers and responsibilities doesn't help.
Just curious, would staff/pilots use these too? If terrorists really will go to any extremes, would they go through the lengthy process of pilot training?