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I'm having an 18th birthday party and they said they will be ID'ing on the bar, as well as only allowing one drink per person at a time. Most of my friends are 18 or over but what about the ones that aren't? Is this unfair on them?
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we've all been there. where half the group can drink and half can't. Just have a house party or hire a hall and give people alcohol (ie don't make them pay with money- it's illegal to that even in a hired venue as far as i know) but noting stops you giving them drinks. Problem solved. Thats what a friend of mine did for her 16th.
If your underage friends want to be able to drink legally then you need to hire out a private function room that doesn't have access to the general public (ie uninvited guests) and you can't charge for the drink.
That's where laws begin to make no sense IMO.
Is it really so much different if someone is 17 years and 11 months old, than 18?
Seeing as 18 year olds can't handle their beer anyway, youre probably right. Doesn't make much difference
Seriously though, there has to be a cut off somewhere and it's been 18 for decades.
If your friends think that then they're idiots. Its illegal to sell booze to under 18s and pub owners can get in a shitload of trouble from the courts if they get found out. Most places wouldn't risk it. If you think they're gonna be a problem and you give a shit, then cancel the party. Simple. You cant throw a party in a pub for an 18th, and expect them not to id people.
Obviously this option does come with potential negative consequences...
Ideally you wouldn't suggest this to your friends and just let them make their own decisions. You could always go to the pub with the people who are of age and then arrange a separate party for those who aren't.
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Do you miss the point that everyone tries to make on purpose or are you actually this naive
Again not a good idea. Using an official piece of identification for fraudulent purposes (including driver's licence and passport) is a criminal offence. The least that can happen is that it is confiscated and your friend's older sibling has to explain to the authorities why they lost it. Then they have to pay for a replacement. One of my colleagues is currently prosecuting someone for this very thing, girl used her mum's licence to buy alcohol. She's getting done for buying it and they're contemplating prosecuting for misusing the licence. Mum has got to pay £50 to get it back from the DVLA on top of that.
Secondly, getting the older people at the party to buy alcohol for the underage people is the quickest way to get the lights switched on, the music turned off and all of you kicked out the door. The management have explicitly told you they won't tolerate underage drinking, and we've told you the reasons why they will have done so.
I know you think that the bar are being kill joys, but as has been explained to you, they have so much to lose. If the local police decided to conduct a spot check (as they often do) the bar will most likely have their licence suspended, the bar staff fined and you'll all be kicked out by the police. At the very least being kicked out mid-way through the party is going to be more embarrasing for you than a couple of your friends having to drink coke.
So you do not see a problem with commiting fraud? or breaking the law?
Lucky you.
Identity Cards Act 2006
(5) It is an offence for a person to have in his possession or under his control, without reasonable excuse—
(a) an identity document that is false;
(b) an identity document that was improperly obtained;
(c) an identity document that relates to someone else; or
(d) any apparatus, article or material which, to his knowledge, is or has been specially designed or adapted for the making of false identity documents or to be used in the making of such documents.
(7) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (5) shall be liable—
(a) on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years or to a fine, or to both;
(b) on summary conviction in England and Wales, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding twelve months or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum, or to both;
(c) on summary conviction in Scotland or Northern Ireland, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum, or to both;
In section 25 “identity document” means any document that is, or purports to be—
(a) an ID card;
(b) a designated document;
(c) an immigration document;
(d) a United Kingdom passport (within the meaning of the Immigration Act 1971 (c. 77));
(e) a passport issued by or on behalf of the authorities of a country or territory outside the United Kingdom or by or on behalf of an international organisation;
(f) a document that can be used (in some or all circumstances) instead of a passport;
(g) a UK driving licence; or
(h) a driving licence issued by or on behalf of the authorities of a country or territory outside the United Kingdom.
Why do you think Fake ID's off the internet always say "Driver's Permit" or "European Licence" e.t.c? When a fake Driver's licence would be so much more convincing....
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