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Tories: don't retire until you're 66
BillieTheBot
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8291835.stm
All very well when so many Tories can afford to retire early and don't have to depend on the State Pension...
Fuck that for a laugh Dave, fuck that for a laugh :mad:
All very well when so many Tories can afford to retire early and don't have to depend on the State Pension...
Fuck that for a laugh Dave, fuck that for a laugh :mad:
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People who are retired cost the state more money than they put back in. This is not "they took our jobs"-speak, merely fact. Plus elderly folks use more NHS resources than younger people (on average).
So I put it to you who think that Dave's plan is horrific, how are we to deal with Britain's ageing population? How are we to fund the rise in cost associated with caring for these people to an adequate standard while they live out their twilight years?
The BBC article says that Tory sources rekon this would generate an extra £13bn and whilst I don't believe this would all be spent on keeping the old dears in cardingans and sherry, it would perhaps go some way to relieving an already-creaking NHS for example.
How do you propose that any future UK government is going to claw back the money for its coffers then? I am sure that you'd be against cuts in services so where else can they try and grab the money?
I'm not happy about this but if that's the way it is, then that's the way it's got to be. Labour said they would do the same thing but 10 years later - when interest rates would ensure that we owe a LOT more money by then.
I don't know what you are complaining about though! I hardly think that you'll spend your old age in the UK - but would be sunning yourself back home in Spain. I know that's what I'd do!
Well that last sentence is the key for me. The savings are, frankly, pitiful and do not merit making people work for an extra year of their lives.
To put things in perspective, the high speed rail link to the North will cost around £18bn, and the cost of renewing and upkeeing our nuclear deterrent for the next few decades would be an incredible £80bn.
There are no end of things we could make cuts on before we even think of raising the retiring age.
Tax avoidance, for instance, it's said to cost this country tens of billions of Pounds every single year. I suggest the Tories start there. But funnily enough I suspect they wouldn't want to do that, given that a good chunk of their voters are exactly the kind of people who embark in tax avoidance schemes... :rolleyes:
So at the end of the day it all boils down to the same thing: fuck the poor to protect the rich.
Same old Tories, same old Tories.
Calling it a policy is just pretending you're doing something substantial.
Labour would have done this anyway, and I'm sure lib dems have their own incarnation of it.
That's a bummer! What's the point of EU nationality and you can't take your pension with you? Sucks!
But if the Guardian had said it, it would be true, right?
So you're saying that there is no need for a high-speed rail network with the North? As a Spaniard, you should know that Renfe is fantastic, quick and efficient and that ours pales in comparison. That is much needed.
And since Ahmedinnerjacket is proudly displaying the fruits of his labours and pointing them towards our neighbours, would you want to scrap the nuclear deterrent program? Whilst I can tell that you may want Israel nuked back to the Stone Age, I don't. Just because nothing really happened in the Cold War doesn't preclude the possibility of something happening in the future.
And Labour are squeaky clean?
See Private Eye #1239 about the full tax dodgery of the man meant to be helping stamp it out, the head of the National Audit Office.
Twats.
hasn't alistair darling already said he is going to that as of now though not in 2011?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/06/public-sector-pay-freeze-order
Oh, I have been a great defender of the high speed link on this forum and elsewhere. I am simply highlighting how little £13bn actually is within the overall budget of the United Kingdom.
Is it worth to ask people to work for one more year of their lives for such proportionally minor saving? I don't think so.
Why on earth would Ahmadinejad, or anybody else for that matter, want to nuke the United Kingdom?
Do you think the citizens of Germany, Switzerland, Spain, Portugal, Australia, Canada, Austria, Poland, Morocco, Mexico and the other 200-odd nations that are nuke-free in the world are in any danger of being attacked?
Oh, I know Labour have been shit at it, even more so since they claimed they were actually going to do something about it.
But again, I was merely pointing out at places where far greater amount than £13bn could be saved, and it would actually be for the good of the country by stamping out a morally repugnant practice by selfish individuals and corporations, rather than asking everyone to work one more year of their lives so their short retirement and time left on this world is reduced even further.
Try doing something really radical, and scrap the retirement age altogether. Under my system, (for it is me) people would be allowed to continue working for as long as they like, and it would be illegal for any company to dismiss an employee on the grounds that they were too old. This would force people to take responsibility for providing for their own old age - I really don't see why the state should have to do it for them. Think I'm being an extremist grumpy crackpot? I probably am - but this is most likely the future. There's too many old people and too few young people to pay for them. Something has to give, and the sooner we admit it, the better.
As for Alistair Darling suddenly making his announcement, he just comes across as an opportunistic bastard by doing this. It's a shame, as he's one of few Labour politicians whom I don't want to throw something at when I see them on TV. New Labour has form for trying to hijack the headlines during Tory Party conferences - in 2007, the Prime Mentalist flew to Iraq to lie shamelessly about how 1000 troops would be able to come home before Christmas that year. Once again, Darling diminishes himself by doing the bidding of Mad McBroon.
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The late arrivals to the scheme always take it in the posterior. That is the nature of the beast, and this is one hell of a beast.
AFAIK he's only intending to do it to the high earners, ie £50k or more.
Actually, they can run a country. If they were that bad, they wouldn't have held power for 18 years or so. When they lost power in 1997, the country and economy was in a very strong state. However, they did not do very well on social issues. So its swings and roundabouts. But one can't say that they can't run the country.
Yes, but that's not the UK life expectancy...
They held power on a minority.
Since 1918 has any Government not?
Labour.
It certainly needed fixing but not the way the tories did it.
We are now about to pay dearly for them butchering the country.
The destruction included selling off a massive wealth creating oil bonanza.
That oil money was a once in a lifetime chance for this country to modernise it's industry and its infrastructure.
We could have had bullet trains new universities hospitals factories and so on.
But ...she closed down the great manufacturing base we had instead of modernising everything and allowed the oil money to build China India Russia etc. ...and make a handful of individuals extremely wealthy.
We were left with a financial services industry that anyone capable of reading and writting could see were only temporary.
The oil and gas have now been spent.
The machines sold ...were fucked.