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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    budda wrote: »
    Many homosexuals were put to death by both Hitler and Stalin. Its not a religion thing its a xenophobia issue - fear of the 'other'.

    Are you suggesting the anti-semitism that lead to the holocaust wasn't essentially the result of 2000 years of anti-semitism in Europe caused by Christianity? Xenophobia is natural. But who it is targetted at is purely the responsibility of things like religion or political ideology. Hitler was anti-semetic. But so were a hell of a lot of the European population well before he was born, directly as a result of the message of Christianity, and more specifically Catholicism.

    From what I can tell, there is nothing in Stalin's ideology that would suggest a prohibition on homosexuality, beyond reasons of political control (Soviet propaganda associated homosexuality with fascism) or political manouvering (he was quite cosy with the Eastern Orthadox church, don't forget). There's a difference between that an outright homophobia, which is more of a psychological issue.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Chinese literature isn't anti-homosexual, but is certainly pro-male-female relationships and the traditional family. One of the most important things for men in Confucian literature is having children. Taoism emphasises yin and yang in every aspect of life, with male-female relationships being a vital part of it. So while outright homophobia isn't part of such religions, there are still social norms and expectations that lead to the exclusion of anyone who isn't part of those social norms.

    Those norms and expectations are largely based on the fact that sons and daughters meant security in old age. I can understand that, to be perfectly honest. No children or grandchildren would make life intolerable for them once they became decrepit. And to a large degree, the same could go for parents of any country in those days. Children were a life or death asset. The thing is that outside of the need to have children, Chinese society more or less completely accepted homosexuality in its society - unlike those Jewish, Christian and Islamic societies.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Having come from a family with 3 sisters myself, we're all straight except for my youngest sister whose openly gay. We were all raised together, have the same parents, environment etc. To answer your question I feel it's a combination of both psyche and enviro....i feel that somewhere in your mind you do have a gene that makes you lean towards homosexuality. in my sis case she was always a tomboy and never had a boyfriend. Either way it doesn't matter we are all God's creatures and we'll let him decide.......
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The best (and funniest) way to debate the "homosexuality is a choice" crowd is to ask them when they first made the choice to ignore their homosexual urges. They don't like it.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    KiwiFruit wrote: »
    Is homosexuality a natural sexual act, something learnt by socialization or do you still think it's wrong?

    I believe its a natural thing that you're born with. Of course people can change sexuality throughout their life but i don't think its due to socialisation - its still too much of a "taboo" (using the term loosely) for people to be gay just to fit in.

    What angers me is the people who think they can change gay people and help them to be straight as though its some kind of illness :rolleyes:

    And no, its not wrong.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Many of everyone's beliefs on this topic are actaully based on what you were taught to belive.
    If you were brought up in an extremely religious community, then you may have been taught that homosexuality is a unnatural, discusting and disturbing act as it's againt you're religion. IM NOT SAYING ALL RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ARE AGAINST HOMOSEXUALITY! But some religious people are. In my case I was brought up with a Catholic mother and Athiest father. As a family we are not religious in the least. My mother is very pro-gays and has a lot of gay friends. And I'm actually very proud of my mother for loving homosexuals so much. I think homosexuality is most definalty a NATURAL thing. Hell, my godfather's gay, my hairdressers gay, my best friend is gay. It just somthing that is in you're genetic code. There is nothing you can do to make a gay person straight. I'm a heterosexual myself, by the way. In my point of view anyone its revolting how human beings even tried to get rid of homosexuality. It scares me when people say gays should die or being gay is wrong. It makes me feel so bad for those poor men and women who have to struggle with life daily in a world where being gay is looked down upon. Those people who think if you're not straight you can't be a valid human revolt me. As for more femanine gay men; I love them. Its like being friends with a boy and a girl at once! People who rule out being friends with gay men like those are obviouslt too intimidated and don't know how to act around them.
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Right on, sister! x
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Lexi99 wrote: »
    What angers me is the people who think they can change gay people and help them to be straight as though its some kind of illness :rolleyes:
    Society is preoccupied with what is 'normal'
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The best (and funniest) way to debate the "homosexuality is a choice" crowd is to ask them when they first made the choice to ignore their homosexual urges. They don't like it.

    I like that. :)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I have read most of these posts but not all of them as they are too long and there's too many of them, but from what I can say from the original question is, I have absolutely no problem with gays and lesbians. They can do what they want to do and as long as it makes them happy then I'm quite alright with it.
    I don't particularly like to see it in action, so doing it in their own home is preferred. I don't even like to see straight people doing stuff so it's nothing against homosexuals.
    I don't believe that it is abnormal etc because if it was, why would God make people like that? It's not a choice they make or a lifestyle they choose. It is already chosen for them and they can't do anything about it.
    People's feelings can change throughout their lifetime so who might be straight now, may be a homosexual later in life, and vice versa.
    So overall, it's not a problem for me.
    x Andy
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It is "natural", because it exists in nature for several thousand years now and homosexual individuals of any species seem not to die out. So there is some kind of niche for them, even tho they don't really complete the task of procreation, a pretty basic instinct of every life form.

    Not really sure about nurture. I think you are rather born with it. Even tho there might be some "helpers" (i.e. experiences, or things you see and understand in your own way, etc. you know what I mean).
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Andy Pandy wrote: »
    People's feelings can change throughout their lifetime so who might be straight now, may be a homosexual later in life, and vice versa.
    So overall, it's not a problem for me.
    x Andy
    Yeah, people who are heterosexual today may surprise themselves to find themselves becoming homosexual later in life. I have friends who were once married with children, now they're lesbian and have gone through civil partnership
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It is disgusting
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It is disgusting

    Stop doing it then.

    Problem solved.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm not doing it
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    So how do you know it's disgusting if you've never tried it?
  • SkiveSkive No discipline. No morality. No respect. New ForestPosts: 15,169 Skive's The Limit
    Not for me. I find the idea of sex with another man rather disgusting. That's not to say I thinl that those who do are disgusting, just not for me.

    Each to their own, who does it hurt? None of my business what you get up to in your bedroom or even who you fancy. As long as you happy, all the power to you.
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Skive wrote: »
    Each to their own, who does it hurt? None of my business what you get up to in your bedroom or even who you fancy. As long as you happy, all the power to you.

    :thumb:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm probably going to be seen as biased because my mother is a lesbian. But trust me, that has brought a lot more negative issues to my mindset than positive.

    But nevertheless, people should be allowed to go whatever the fuck they want, without being frowned upon, by ANYONE.... unless it harms SOMEONE ELSE, i.e. kids or the rest of society etc.

    Seriously, I hope to live 100 years down the line and world be as liberal then to now, as it was now to 100 years ago...

    If you catch my drift..... ;)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    it's not disguisting. if thats what they like, then let them do it. thats my opinion.

    it doesn't hurt anyone else does it?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    So how do you know it's disgusting if you've never tried it?
    He means the thought of two men having sex is disgusting. Obviously not anything remotely natural to him
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Skive wrote: »
    None of my business what you get up to in your bedroom or even who you fancy.
    Agreed totally
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    KiwiFruit wrote: »
    He means the thought of two men having sex is disgusting. Obviously not anything remotely natural to him
    The two things are by no means the same or linked though.

    I find spinach utterly revolting and disgusting, yet I find it pefectly natural that other people eat it. They're just not for me.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote: »
    The two things are by no means the same or linked though.

    I find spinach utterly revolting and disgusting, yet I find it pefectly natural that other people eat it. They're just not for me.
    You mean homosexuality is disgusting to some peoples personal taste, even though they know its natural for some others
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Somebody I know once gave a good analogy - he said it's like old people doing it - not something he wants to watch, hear or know about. But it happens and whatever they do in private (as with anyone) is up to them.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It is disgusting
    You're not clear what you mean by that. I assume, as others have, that you are trying to say that it's not something you find remotely enticing for yourself. It does come across like a blanket statement that you find gay people disgusting, though, so it could be seen as being quite offensive.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    piccolo wrote: »
    You're not clear what you mean by that. I assume, as others have, that you are trying to say that it's not something you find remotely enticing for yourself. It does come across like a blanket statement that you find gay people disgusting, though, so it could be seen as being quite offensive.

    If you read most of his posts, he is just confrontational and obtuse. He means to offend. I wouldn't even bother getting into a 'debate' with him.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teagan wrote: »
    If you read most of his posts, he is just confrontational and obtuse. He means to offend. I wouldn't even bother getting into a 'debate' with him.
    Wise words, advice taken :)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote: »
    I find spinach utterly revolting and disgusting, yet I find it pefectly natural that other people eat it. They're just not for me.

    Beetroot is unnatural and people who eat beetroot should not be allowed to adopt children or get married.

    True fact.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote: »
    Beetroot is unnatural and people who eat beetroot should not be allowed to adopt children or get married.

    True fact.

    I like beetroot
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