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Wondering about toilets

Indrid ColdIndrid Cold Posts: 16,688 Skive's The Limit
I wasn't sure where to put it, I picked here because of laws.

I began wondering this earlier:
Why are men's and women's toilets (still) supposed to be completely separated? Most of the toilets I've been in don't even have urinals any more, so I gather there isn't much of a difference if any. And even if there had to be urinals, they could simply be in a separate room of the toilet, having the cubicles and washbasins still in the main part.
Also, the few places with urinals excluded, I've never seen anybody with his pants down outside a cubicle (and I suppose the same is true about women's toilets).

So what purpose does separating toilets serve? Unless I'm mistaken, it's not just the norm but required by law; why?

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm not sure it's required by law. We're setting up gender neutral facilities where I work, but maintaining some of the gendered toilets because people are just plain uncomfortable using mixed gender loos. I'm not sure why, but it's important to enough people that we thought we should maintain them.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Because men make toilets smelly :yuck:.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think i would feel un-comfortable, espcially when its the time of month, you forgot the stuff and you need to buy one from the dispenser, just plain embaressing :blush:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Franki wrote: »
    Because men make toilets smelly :yuck:.

    Disgusting, isn't it? :mad: Being a bloke it infuriates me the lack of courtesy and hygiene some men display.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It is mandatory that certain places (such as a workplace) have to provide toilets, but they do not have to be gender-specific. In fact, it's regarded as best practice now to have gender-neutral toilets to be inclusive to the transgendered community. The only reason most places still have gender-specific toilets is because of squeamishness.

    Franki, let me assure you that the gents toilets are usually no worse than the ladies. You should see the ladies bogs in here after a Friday night. I don't think men are worse at washing their hands than women are, to be quite honest.

    If they could invent a door handle that puts 20,000 volts through you if you don't wash your hands, I'd buy 10.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote: »
    It is mandatory that certain places (such as a workplace) have to provide toilets, but they do not have to be gender-specific. In fact, it's regarded as best practice now to have gender-neutral toilets to be inclusive to the transgendered community. The only reason most places still have gender-specific toilets is because of squeamishness.

    Franki, let me assure you that the gents toilets are usually no worse than the ladies. You should see the ladies bogs in here after a Friday night. I don't think men are worse at washing their hands than women are, to be quite honest.

    If they could invent a door handle that puts 20,000 volts through you if you don't wash your hands, I'd buy 10.
    Having been in the unfortunate position of a lobby close at McDonalds, I can assure you that the mens is a million times more smelly than the ladies. Even if the ladies do find it amusing to shove a whole roll of toilet paper down the toilets. I did say smelly, not messy, remember.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote: »
    Franki, let me assure you that the gents toilets are usually no worse than the ladies. You should see the ladies bogs in here after a Friday night. I don't think men are worse at washing their hands than women are, to be quite honest.

    After working in pubs/bars for over 5 years let me assure you that ladies toilets can't even compete with the rankness of mens. Ladies toilets used to take about 5 minutes to clean of a morning, where as the mens could be scrubbed for an hour and you could still smell them outside. We even had to stop putting toilet roll in the mens because it'd be all over the floor after about 5 seconds, along with the constant puddle of urine.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    We had this debate at my uni recently because some of the toilets were being converted from mens / womens to "toilets with urinals" and "toilets without urinals" to accomodate for those who are transgendered.

    Apparently it's because men turn into rapists in toilets.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ShyBoy wrote: »
    Apparently it's because men turn into rapists in toilets.
    Someone tried that argument against gender-neutral toilets at LGBT Conference; I was appalled.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    piccolo wrote: »
    LGBT Conference

    Curious. What exactly do you discuss there?!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    g_angel wrote: »
    Curious. What exactly do you discuss there?!
    Well, amongst other things the NUS is a lobbying organisation, so in general terms the LGBT conference is a space for self-defining LGBT people to influence the policy of the NUS.

    In its own right, the NUS LGBT Campaign is the major campaigning organisation for LGBT students in the UK so conference obviously sets the direction for those campaigns.

    So policy can relate to anything that affects LGBT students. New laws around pornography, the implications of the Goods and Services Act, provision of healthcare to L/B women, mental health support for the trans community, the implications of various funding models on estranged LGBT students, monitoring sexual and gender diversity in FE and HE...

    It's as broad as you like.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think you have to offer private facilities which would mean an option for single sex communal toilets. You can have shared sex facilities theres at least one club in London that does but they also have seperate facilities.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    kangoo wrote: »
    After working in pubs/bars for over 5 years...

    Maybe our men are really clean and our women are dirty scrubbers :D
    sneer wrote:
    I think you have to offer private facilities which would mean an option for single sex communal toilets.

    They have to be private cubicles but I don't think they have to have private basins.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote: »
    Maybe our men are really clean and our women are dirty scrubbers :D

    Eh?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Consider that a lot of swimming pools now just have one big changing area with cubicles for men or women, instead of segregation. So if it can be down with swimming pools I don't see why toilets are very different.
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    Indrid ColdIndrid Cold Posts: 16,688 Skive's The Limit
    Thanks for the replies, I guess I don't need to wonder any more. :)

    I'll second Kermit's suggestion for a door that zaps you with a lot of volts if you don't wash.
    Then again, people could use that to steal; you wait until someone's out of the cubicle but before they wash, grab their bag or wallet or whatever and run. They won't be able to follow you out...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I guess it's just a traditional thing. In vienna there is this huge open space/hang out, inbetween a few museums and the new toilets in there are in one big room for men and women but still seperated, i.e. women turn when entering the room to the right, men to the left. I can't complain about it and actually like it a bit more that way. I don't want to take an earth shattering shit and when coming out of the stall have lots of girls look at me in horror.


    Not to say that women only leave the smell of daisies and rainbows in the toilet, but the fact that they have to sit when peeing (with exception of the very skilled girls, which are few and far between) and many men seem to follow the same trend when peeing as a little child when working on a coloring book: the more area you can cover, the better, it usually results in disastrous results on men loos, especially in facilities that serve alcohol.

    Haven't seen a single unisex loo over here, but like shyboy said, many swimmingpool/spa changing rooms are shared. Especially the ones in the spa, as you are supposed to be naked then anyway.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You have to be naked in a spa?! :o
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote: »
    If they could invent a door handle that puts 20,000 volts through you if you don't wash your hands, I'd buy 10.

    There's already an alternative - it's the Dyson Hand Dryer - whenever you find a loo with one all the men wash their hands so they can test it out .. :thumb:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well check this out guys - a toilet room at my workplace has the sign "Ladies" on the door but has a mix of urinals and cubicals inside. I always thought it was OK for me to go in there to use a urinal as I never bump into anyone else there. Plus it's a very large room. Someone caught me once though and had me bollocked. What is the law in that?

    P.S. Sundissential (club event) had unisex toilets.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Monserrat wrote: »
    the sign "Ladies" on the door but has a mix of urinals and cubicals inside.

    Well you can't put 'Chicks with dicks' can you ??

    I bet all this unisex toilet stuff is so straight people can start cottaging :p
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ShyBoy wrote: »
    You have to be naked in a spa?! :o

    well, the wellness areas, which they charge you a bit extra to use, with saunas, steam bath, etc. do have that policy, yes.

    The regular pools "outside" that area are only usable in bathing suits.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    StrubbleS wrote: »
    well, the wellness areas

    Do they have a well endowedness area ?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I have to share the toilet (single cubicle its a tiny office) at work with four men. I'm proud to say I'm cleaner then they are.

    One of my old work places had three working toilets (out of five) for a floor of around 60 females. Not nice.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    RubberSkin wrote: »
    Do they have a well endowedness area ?

    yes, most certainly. They get extra preheated seats in the sauna and reserved seats in the jacuzzi right by the jets.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Unisex bathrooms always freak me out a bit.
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    SkiveSkive Posts: 15,286 Skive's The Limit
    Kermit wrote: »
    If they could invent a door handle that puts 20,000 volts through you if you don't wash your hands, I'd buy 10.

    If there are washing facilities available I'll always use them.

    However being men we're lucky enough to be able to hav a slash anywhere. If get caught short and have to go behind a bush or something I don't suddenly get a panic on about where I'm going to wash my hands. I don't piss on my hands and cocks not dirty either.
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