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Scallys, Chavs & Hoodies
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If you ask me, i think Hoodies, Chavs and Scallys tend to be scapegoats for constant media-put downs and other mainly older peoples attitudes towards Hoodies, Scallys, Chavs. I personally believe in giving anyone a fair go in life and that applies for the main part to anyone who considers themselves Scally, Hoodie, Chav, Skinhead or just people in general.
It really, REALLY pisses me off to see all the smug-high paid TV commenters slagging off Scallys, Chavs etc because some silly old fart is waffling on about how 'the gang made our lives a misery'. I'm not saying for one second that ALL Scallys / Chavs and Hoodies are good, there are a minority of bad sorts that really DO need ASBOS and time in a Young offenders institute, but for 90 percent of Scallys, Hoodies & Chavs, all they want to do is hang out with their mates and socialise
Personally speaking, I will ALWAYS defend the decent, law abiding scallys and Chavs and i think it's about time all Scallys, Hoodies and Chavs stopped being the target of media put downs. It is an issue i really do feel VERY Passionate about.
I Saw a doccumentary on Channel 4 once about a group of mates who had A.S.B.Os against them in a place called Yarnfield i think it was, and to me the 'goodie-goodies' were just moaning bastards who because of predudices against the lads, made the lads a target for their anger. Ok, i'm not saying that maybe some of the lads were perfect by any means but i am fuckking angry and i mean REALLY angry that the minority of Bad Scallys / Chavs / Hoodies have spoiled the reputation of genuinely nice, friendly lads and some Scally Girls / Chav Girls too.
I know at 36 i'd hardly be classed as either a Scally, chav or hoodie, but to ALL the good lads and girls of this country, whether they are Gay, Lesbian, Straight, bisexual or even transgender, i say Fuck the country and live your lives how you want it to be.
I know it's a kind of controversial issue and maybe u all think i'm fucked in the head for supporting Scallys, Hoodies, Skins, boy racers and Chavs, but i don't really see anyone publically supporting the major majority of good, decent lads.
Come on Television Companies, Get me on TV so i can defend those that consider themselves Scally, Hoodie, EMO, Chav, Boy-Girl Racer, Skinhead etc...I feel i have something to say as the argument has always, in my view, being one sided against. I am here to say that although as i siad, there are a few 'bad scallys / chavs etc..' the majority of them are fairly decentish lads and girls of ALL sexualities, be they Straight, Bisexual, Gay or whatever, as i think the right of reply on behalf of all the GOOD Scallys, Chavs, Boy-Girl Racers, Skinheads etc...should be heard and i feel that strongly about the issue i am really and very genuinely passionately in support of this 'minority group', which, when all is said and done, is what Scallys, Chavs etc..are at the end of the day.
And i have to add that i mean no offence to anyone who has had a bad experience with groups of younger people.
It really, REALLY pisses me off to see all the smug-high paid TV commenters slagging off Scallys, Chavs etc because some silly old fart is waffling on about how 'the gang made our lives a misery'. I'm not saying for one second that ALL Scallys / Chavs and Hoodies are good, there are a minority of bad sorts that really DO need ASBOS and time in a Young offenders institute, but for 90 percent of Scallys, Hoodies & Chavs, all they want to do is hang out with their mates and socialise
Personally speaking, I will ALWAYS defend the decent, law abiding scallys and Chavs and i think it's about time all Scallys, Hoodies and Chavs stopped being the target of media put downs. It is an issue i really do feel VERY Passionate about.
I Saw a doccumentary on Channel 4 once about a group of mates who had A.S.B.Os against them in a place called Yarnfield i think it was, and to me the 'goodie-goodies' were just moaning bastards who because of predudices against the lads, made the lads a target for their anger. Ok, i'm not saying that maybe some of the lads were perfect by any means but i am fuckking angry and i mean REALLY angry that the minority of Bad Scallys / Chavs / Hoodies have spoiled the reputation of genuinely nice, friendly lads and some Scally Girls / Chav Girls too.
I know at 36 i'd hardly be classed as either a Scally, chav or hoodie, but to ALL the good lads and girls of this country, whether they are Gay, Lesbian, Straight, bisexual or even transgender, i say Fuck the country and live your lives how you want it to be.
I know it's a kind of controversial issue and maybe u all think i'm fucked in the head for supporting Scallys, Hoodies, Skins, boy racers and Chavs, but i don't really see anyone publically supporting the major majority of good, decent lads.
Come on Television Companies, Get me on TV so i can defend those that consider themselves Scally, Hoodie, EMO, Chav, Boy-Girl Racer, Skinhead etc...I feel i have something to say as the argument has always, in my view, being one sided against. I am here to say that although as i siad, there are a few 'bad scallys / chavs etc..' the majority of them are fairly decentish lads and girls of ALL sexualities, be they Straight, Bisexual, Gay or whatever, as i think the right of reply on behalf of all the GOOD Scallys, Chavs, Boy-Girl Racers, Skinheads etc...should be heard and i feel that strongly about the issue i am really and very genuinely passionately in support of this 'minority group', which, when all is said and done, is what Scallys, Chavs etc..are at the end of the day.
And i have to add that i mean no offence to anyone who has had a bad experience with groups of younger people.
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Wow!
You managed to use the word 'Chav' sixteen times in that post.... Scallys is up there too.
Personally I don't think very highly of those that are classed as 'chavs'. I have to say though I know quite a few who have utmost respect for you and are always very polite and chatty BUT I also know the other side to them where they burgle people, smash each other up with objects and are generally a pain. Not all of them but many are like that.
I would say that yes many are pleasant people but once with friends they turn into trouble makers and that goes for a very large amount of what we class as 'chavs'.
As I say that is just my opinion and rightly so you are entitled to your own.
What is going on here is tarring thousands of people with the same brush. It's just not possible. You can't say they're all bastards, you can't say they're all nice. They're individuals.
But Krissy Boy...we know that you have a fetish for these guys too. I guess that helps?
If i may illustrate the point i am trying to make with a personal illustration, when i was yonger (in my 20s) i hung out with a fairly large group who would nowadays be classed as Scally / Chav / Hoodie and of those i was associated with 90 percent of them were a good group of people and they would stick up for me as i would for them. Of course there was 10 percent who didn't like me but thats the way life goes. What i am trying to say is that i really DO have experiences of decent-ish scallys / chavs etc. I must also point out that when i was about 22 - 23 years old i worked at a youth club which was mainly lads (a few girls too) and sometimes we all used to hang out togehter.
You may find that those that critisise young people are the older generation and sometimes i think it is without justification as i am sure a lot of people (both male and female) used to hang out with their mates by the shops or in the parks maybe but it seems a lot of people nowadays tend to be more judgemental as they get older.
I know at 36 i'd hardly be called a 'Scally' or 'Chav' but in all fairness i get on better with younger (over 18) people than i do my own age range and it's always been like that. I'm always willing to help anyone out, be they Scally-chav or not, but the origional comment i made about 'Scallys, Chavs and Hoodies' was made because i am fed up to the back teeth of 'Labels' being put on some young people of the country. Yes, i know labeling someone a 'Scally' or 'Chav' is a label in itself but most people have to agree that these two words are part of the culture of today and i know that there have been some very nasty things happening with some young people and knives / gun crimes and violence and i am not saying that there isn't a problem with that, as i know from watching BBC News that ther is, but surely labeling all young people with the 'Yob', 'Scally' 'Chav' or even 'Hooligan' and i have to say that i think that TV has also been a problem in this respect as young people hanging out are immediately tagged 'Yobs' just because they hang out with their mates maybe. I know for a FACT that most young people just like hanging out togehter, and i am sure it was the same since times past.
I was, as i said, friends with a lot of young people and we used to hang out on the school wall but we never caused any bother, all we wanted to do was hang out together and have a laugh and maybe a can or two of cider, but what i call 'the old farts' complained about us even though we had done nothing wrong and it is interesting also to note that if any young or older person does wrong then there is a thing called Anti-Social Behavior Order (or A.S.B.O) and i agree there are some that SHOULD have an A.S.B.O or maybe time in a Young offenders institute, but for the majority of people i know they are just wanting to hang out with their mates.
Young people are the future of the country and i firmly believe in giving everyone a fair go in life. For me personally i happen to think everyone deserves a chance in life, no mater what sexuality, minority group or whatever he or she belongs to and at the end of the day i firmly believe that we should ALL Get along in society and, yes, i know sections of this society in the world DO deserve to be locked up, but the general society we live in is nowadays seeming to be less tollerant than it was even as late as the 1990s.
Ok, if someone commits a crime, Yes, they deserve to go to prison, but if someone or some people like hanging out togehter, is that such a crime? I argue the case for Scallys, Chavs etc, becuase i know what it's like to be 'labeled' and personally i think labels shouldn't be put on people.
i know plenty of 'chavs' who are completely harmless, its just people are so quick to judge, especially those who have had bad expierences. its still nothin but a stereotype at the end of the day
id struggle to find many of my mates who havent been in trouble with the law, and a fair handful of them are inside or have spent time inside .. this doesnt mean they arent some of the best people ive ever come across!! a lot of the fucking around tends to be with peers when younger and believe or not most regret it and wise up... i genuinely believe the reason a lot of younger people get up to mischief is because theres next to fuck all to do, admittedly i was no angel myself when i was younger and generally that was why
you'll always have the real bad apples who give the bad rep, which is the same with most walks of life, but tbh thats a problem with the person being prejudiced
also, you'll get plenty of keyboard warriors slating others, i'd love to see how many would voice their opinion face to face
These are lads in their 20's. They strut around, cause no end of aggravation and are really the lowest of the low.
Oh I can moan about senior citizens too. One pissed me off yesterday in a shop. I was in her way and didn't realise, instead of saying excuse me she just decided to ram her little trolley thing into my foot instead. :mad:
Going back to when i was in my 20s, me and my mates may have acted boistrous and a bit stupid sometimes but young people today should be able to act stupidly and crazy sometiems. In todays society, youngsters are maybe growing up too soon and although i am now 36 i still sympathise with the older teens and young male & female adults due to the small majority of REAL 'Yobs' who spoil things for everyone and i am genuinely saddened that a tiny, tiny minority are spoiling the reputation of Scallys, Chavs as well as Skinheads.
People tend to think of skinheads as vicious thugs because of the way they dress and the style of hair, yet i know a skinhead lad who is also a scally-chav and is the firendliest, nicest person you could wish to meet, although he says people avoid him because of the way he dresses and the way he has a Zero / Number 1 crop which i find sad because as i said he's one of the sweetest and nicest people you could meet. I use that example to illustrate a point that anyone who acts / dresses differently is usually looked down on by the 'social / class divide' which i also think is very wrong (but that is genuinely only my own personal oppinion)
I live in Manchester, so its a given that is practically a chav Mecca, and they are little shits, most of them, some of them are how you describe, they just want to hang out and talk etc, but too many times have I heard someone of my age being robbed, or attacked by groups of chavs.
There are stereotypes for a reason, they are a nuisance and now they're getting defended, next someone is going to pull the card that they just have 'learning difficulties', yeah right.
Btw, I'm 15, so I happen across these sorts of people everyday, and for some reason, they will not bother with you if you claim to have done something more.. illegal than them, as if they are some sort of sheep that look up to people who break the law.
I went off a little then, but the point stands, they do not need defending when the majority of them are doing exactly what the stereotype says.
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Whatever the differences are i still
Are you talking about the fact you like these lads because of the way they dress, or do you like them because of the way they act?
What about this one?
Most young people are normal, well adjusted, sociable, polite, respectful, bright, helpful.
The ones like the above who roam the streets assaulting people, robbing them, damaging their property, and killing them are scum of the highest order.
My view of chavs - it's a stereotype but it's also a genuine one. I don't think there's anything wrong in using the words as long as people are prepared to be proven wrong about it - not all teens who wear baseball caps are chavs.
As humans we are tribal - it gives us comfort to stay in groups or 'packs'. Nothing really wrong with that of course, there certainly are different groups and section in society but let's celebrate these differences, not attack them. Chavs exist as do snobby middle-classes, elitist student types, creepy middle age men etc
Devvo is my favourite chav.
Everybody makes judgements on appearance, but not eveybody pigeon holes people to the extent where they'll write people off before even speaking to them.
This 'chav' business IS a class thing and it's often coupled with remarks about council estates, the uneducated, young mothers and being on the dole. It's snobbery.
This place just goes to show that people from all walks get a long fine when appearance isn't an issue. Don't let your eyes decieve you.
Stupid people are a problem to society, and that includes drink drivers (and those that defend them)
I think that guy's post acts as evidence to your previous post, Skive. Stereotypes, groups and labels are things that teenagers are really stuck to. I really was. I hated chavs, I hated indie kids, I hate anyone who wasn't a skater or a mosher when I was 13. I didn't really hate anyone, but it was about making a show of it. But I was 13. As a teenager groups are important. My little sister is 15 and is horribly offended whenever I suggest that she might be an emo. Because it matters more to younger people, I think.
Aye, and this is just like what I said earlier. I get so fed up of people judging me because of my background and just because of where I grew up. I'm still in the same place as the rich kids (sure I'm poor as fuck and struggling) but I still got to uni all the same. So there. Grr.
Younger people generally have more of a need to belong and fit in. So they create bounderies to set up their social groups. I used to do it, I pigeon holed people all the time but I like to think I grew up.
Exactly. We might both be examples of people who recognised this and managed to grow up but it's sad that it seems that so many other people haven't. Most people won't accept to hear that stereotypes aren't true until it's blatantly in their face. I make it my duty to correct people who make horrible comments about people who grow up in council estates and about single parent families and of all these ridiculous prejudiced ideas.
It wasn't you I quoted was it?
We're not trying to defend ciminals, we're defending those that dress in certain way being labled criminals by people such as yourself.
You don't think it's more important that people be judged on their behaviour rather than their appearance.