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Mob murders sex offender

A man thought to be a child sex offender was found hacked to death in his caravan.

The victim was 52-year-old Andrew Cunningham, according to the Sun. He died after suffering multiple stab wounds to the head, neck and chest.

Mr Cunningham was set upon by a baying mob who left him naked and covered in blood in his caravan, the paper reported.

His injuries included wounds to his genitals, the Sun added.

Police confirmed the victim, found at business premises in Wandsworth, south London, had suffered "non-fatal injuries" to parts of his body.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20081212/tuk-child-sex-offender-murdered-6323e80.html

This from the BBC story on the same case:
Scotland Yard sources say the man was a convicted sex offender who had recently been taken off the sex offenders' register.


Well, strike one for the good, decent citizens of this country administering swift justice to "sick paedos" and "perverts" ( © The Sun Newspaper, 1963- 2008).

So, to all of you who regularly express wishes for sex offenders to be killed, do you feel justice has been done here? Do you think the knuckle-dragging scumbags responsible are in fact to be congratulated? Do you feel the murdered man (so dangerous to society he was no longer in the sex offenders' register) deserved what was done to him?

This is what happens when we allow rabid (yet hypocritical cunts who salivate over young teenagers all too frequently, as Emma Watson or Charlotte Church could testify) tabloids poison the mind of the imbecile. If there was any justice in the world the editor of that rag would be sitting in the dock right next to the wankstains who did this.
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Lucky the mob had the right man then, and not some poor unfortunate paediatrician.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i dont have any sympathy for the guy tbh
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i dont have any sympathy for the guy tbh
    It was under no circumstances the right thing to do. I can't condone it, even though he was a sex offender.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    piccolo wrote: »
    It was under no circumstances the right thing to do. I can't condone it, even though he was a sex offender.

    I feel the same.
    We can't all just go round killing people that we feel deserve it, no matter what the reason.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    piccolo wrote: »
    It was under no circumstances the right thing to do. I can't condone it, even though he was a sex offender.

    i dont condone it either, but i have no sympathy for the guy either.

    I think with certain crimes, you run more risk of public retaliation, and while i think the people that attacked him were savages, I am not going to shed any tears over it
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I wont be at all surprised if this happens again, and happens more often the sex offenders register is being opened to some members of the public. And as soon as that happens the rumors will come with the potential of fact and will be more widely believed.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    This illustrates why we really do not need a 'Sarah's Law' which the NOTW keep campaigning for.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i dont condone it either, but i have no sympathy for the guy either.

    I think with certain crimes, you run more risk of public retaliation, and while i think the people that attacked him were savages, I am not going to shed any tears over it
    I am not stranger to the principle of having no sympathy for certain individuals. But I certainly don't know what this man had done. All we know is that he used to be in the sex offenders' register and now he isn't.

    Not that I'd be condoning it, but if it turned out that his crime had been having sex once with a 15 1/2 year old girl who looked older and told him she was 18 (such as that Chelsea assistant manager a few years ago), would you still fail to have any sympathy for him?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote: »
    I am not stranger to the principle of having no sympathy for certain individuals. But I certainly don't know what this man had done. All we know is that he used to be in the sex offenders' register and now he isn't.

    Not that I'd be condoning it, but if it turned out that his crime had been having sex once with a 15 1/2 year old girl who looked older and told him she was 18 (such as that Chelsea assistant manager a few years ago), would you still fail to have any sympathy for him?

    That's a really good point actually. We read 'sex offender' and automatically assume that it was someone who really fucked someone up. But it could also mean an 18 year old who has consented sex with a girl of 15 1/2, as you say.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote: »
    Not that I'd be condoning it, but if it turned out that his crime had been having sex once with a 15 1/2 year old girl who looked older and told him she was 18 (such as that Chelsea assistant manager a few years ago), would you still fail to have any sympathy for him?

    I agree, look at the two men who were put on the Register for 3 or 5 years for simulating sex with a bike and a pavement.

    I don't think anyone deserves to die, especially in this way and despite his past I do hope the people who did this are caught as they too are obviously a danger to society and are just as bad for what they have done.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    squeal wrote: »
    I agree, look at the two men who were put on the Register for 3 or 5 years for simulating sex with a bike and a pavement.

    I don't think anyone deserves to die, especially in this way and despite his past I do hope the people who did this are caught as they too are obviously a danger to society and are just as bad for what they have done.

    Couldn't have said it better myself!
    Exactly!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well this guy was actually convicted of raping a girl under 13 years old and more recently he was arrested for another rape however the charges were dropped. People in the area believed he was grooming other young girls too.


    It makes me uncomfortable to think of mob mentality going about killing people but I don't have any sympathy in this case.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    lipsy wrote: »
    Well this guy was actually convicted of raping a girl under 13 years old and more recently he was arrested for another rape however the charges were dropped. People in the area believed he was grooming other young girls too.


    It makes me uncomfortable to think of mob mentality going about killing people but I don't have any sympathy in this case.

    Then I definitely have no sympathy.
    But I still think the mob was wrong.

    Question is... if they're caught (if they haven't already?) would they be given a more lenient sentence because of the man they killed? Or would it be the same as any murder? I guess it would have to be, wouldn't it?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    IWishIWas wrote: »
    Then I definitely have no sympathy.
    But I still think the mob was wrong.

    Question is... if they're caught (if they haven't already?) would they be given a more lenient sentence because of the man they killed? Or would it be the same as any murder? I guess it would have to be, wouldn't it?
    It would have to be- it must be.

    Had he been murdered by one of his victims, or the parents of one if his victims, depending on the circumstances there might be a case for downgrading the case to manslaughter caused by diminished responsibility or somethinglike that... You know what I mean, when the perpetrator is deemed to have been traumatised and not entirely responsible for their actions at the time.

    But a blood-baying mob? Fuck 'em.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    IWishIWas wrote: »
    Then I definitely have no sympathy.
    But I still think the mob was wrong.

    Question is... if they're caught (if they haven't already?) would they be given a more lenient sentence because of the man they killed? Or would it be the same as any murder? I guess it would have to be, wouldn't it?

    Definitely murder. That's the consequence of their actions.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I have no sympathy for him if at the time of his death he was still grooming young children then but either way he didn't deserve to die in that way. Also two wrongs do not make a right and those who killed this man should be punished.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Regardless of the decency or otherwise of the person they killed they do deserve a good spell in jail. They are clearly a danger and there is the obvious potential for their next victim to be the wrong man.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Whether their victim was the "wrong" man or not is irrelevant really. When vigilante, mob-style "justice" becomes acceptable - society, very rapidly becomes downright dangerous. (You only need to look at parts of South Africa to see that).

    I don't want to live in a society where baying mobs chase people they "think" might be sex offenders, leave them naked covered in blood and hack them to death with multiple stab wounds. It's barbaric. And I sympathise with all of the victims in this case; the victims of the sex offender - and the sex offender himself. As difficult as it is, people really need to get past the emotional hysteria concerning paedophilia. There doesn't seem to be widespread agreement on what causes paedophilia - but hunting down paedophiles like animals is quite obviously not going to help. There obviously needs to be more research but paedophilia seems to be some form of psychological disorder and paedophiles need some form of detention/supervision - for their own protection, in addition to stopping them from harming others. However, as horrid as their crimes might be we need to get away from this awful mob-like "they deserve it" mentality: it's not helpful and it's not going to stop future cases of abuse.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Lucky the mob had the right man then, and not some poor unfortunate paediatrician.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4719364.stm
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Did you watch Louis Theroux in South Africa on Sunday?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Did you watch Louis Theroux in South Africa on Sunday?

    Yep. Scary.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's no loss to the world.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    It's no loss to the world.
    Maybe not. And if the scumbags who murdered him were put against a wall and shot, it would not be a great loss to the world either.

    But is not the point. At all.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote: »
    Maybe not. And if the scumbags who murdered him were put against a wall and shot, it would not be a great loss to the world either.

    But is not the point. At all.

    Yup.
    I may not feel sympathy, but I think everyone still has the right to their basic human rights, ie to live.
    I'm a fan of making people live - let them suffer.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Whether their victim was the "wrong" man or not is irrelevant really. When vigilante, mob-style "justice" becomes acceptable - society, very rapidly becomes downright dangerous. (You only need to look at parts of South Africa to see that).

    I don't want to live in a society where baying mobs chase people they "think" might be sex offenders, leave them naked covered in blood and hack them to death with multiple stab wounds. It's barbaric. And I sympathise with all of the victims in this case; the victims of the sex offender - and the sex offender himself. As difficult as it is, people really need to get past the emotional hysteria concerning paedophilia. There doesn't seem to be widespread agreement on what causes paedophilia - but hunting down paedophiles like animals is quite obviously not going to help. There obviously needs to be more research but paedophilia seems to be some form of psychological disorder and paedophiles need some form of detention/supervision - for their own protection, in addition to stopping them from harming others. However, as horrid as their crimes might be we need to get away from this awful mob-like "they deserve it" mentality: it's not helpful and it's not going to stop future cases of abuse.

    I would argue it is natural to them. And not necessarily because they're mental either. It's a scary thought but the more you look at 'raw' humans the more you realise that if you take away the socialisation and the laws we do a lot of morally questionable things.

    I agree though ultimately we have laws for very good reasons and the reason why everyone in the UK has the right to be judged for their crimes by a jury of their peers with a fair punishment decided by a professional and impartial judge. If we say it's ok or 'not as bad' in this case then it opens a can of worms for the future and provides a justification for further mob justice.

    IMO the perpertrators should all be given 15 year custodial sentences for the barbarity and savagery.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Being a child sex offender is sick and so is murder but it's hard to decide wether he deserved to die by the order of a mob or to be caught and rot in jail.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    if the guy had been in prison where he should have been, then it wouldnt have happened either. I think this is one of the risks of a justice system that tends to be really lenient on crimes like this. It encourages people to dole out their own "justice". He raped a child just a few years ago. Why was he even out?


    This does NOT mean I think its ok to mutilate criminals btw
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    if the guy had been in prison where he should have been, then it wouldnt have happened either. I think this is one of the risks of a justice system that tends to be really lenient on crimes like this. It encourages people to dole out their own "justice". He raped a child just a few years ago. Why was he even out?


    This does NOT mean I think its ok to mutilate criminals btw

    Exactly!
    Didn't someone mention on this thread somewhere that he had been taken off the sex offenders list? Why? Surely this shouldn't be possible. You can't just clear away an offense like that.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Playing devil's advocate here, but we don't know the circumstances really.

    There was a similar reaction to a house down the road whose parents were seperated, the father had been convicted of downloading child pornography and some 'samaritans' took it into their own hands to run up and down the street spreading hate. He didn't even live there anymore, and if he did he'd served his time in prison.

    SCC - I'm not sure how leniant the criminal justice system is, it works on actual damage etc. rather than emotive reactions. Otherwise things like child molestation and rape would carry much harsher penalties than murder, because people get more upset by them.

    I don't know if it's 100% right - I doubt it is in all likelihood - but I trust professionals who have to study hundreds of cases and laws who then make a case-by-case decision considering all the different factors over the mob really.

    Like I say though, I'm playing devil's advocate to an extent as obviously he has a nasty profile, but then I definitely condemn the actions of the mob because I think it violated the offenders rights grossly.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ShyBoy wrote: »

    There was a similar reaction to a house down the road whose parents were seperated, the father had been convicted of downloading child pornography and some 'samaritans' took it into their own hands to run up and down the street spreading hate. He didn't even live there anymore, and if he did he'd served his time in prison.

    .

    What I think some people dont get is that the reaction a lot of people have to child sex offenders and desire to "out" them, if not hurt them, is partly (mostly) down to protecting against future abuse.
    Thats why things like "served his time" dont really make that much difference if theyre not actually rehabilitated/cured/dead
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