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Positive discrimination for the police
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7695470.stm
Good idea or not?
I'm against it because
a) I don't believe in postive discrimination and
b) peelers should be doing a much wider job than anti-terrorism, which should be the job of MI5 and some very specialist police units. The risk is that if the police move more and more towards anti-terrorism they can't help but become a political tool, something that previous generations of police recognised was a bad thing for their everyday business.
Good idea or not?
I'm against it because
a) I don't believe in postive discrimination and
b) peelers should be doing a much wider job than anti-terrorism, which should be the job of MI5 and some very specialist police units. The risk is that if the police move more and more towards anti-terrorism they can't help but become a political tool, something that previous generations of police recognised was a bad thing for their everyday business.
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But then I'm a straight white heterosexual male. So I would say that.
I may be being slow but why would black and Asian people be able to get the 'intelligence'? Do they mean undercover?
That's never an easy issue and perhaps more non-white officers performing such tasks would reduce the alleged disproportionate numbers of non-white citizens being stopped-and-searched, or at least the perception that they are being unfairly targetted.
it might be a better idea to address the reasons why non-white people aren't actually applying, instead of giving them an unfair advantage over other people.
My force has about 70 officers from BEM backgrounds, out of a total of 4000.
Even if people were given an advantage over others, it really wouldn't alter the figures by much, and instead would just deny the chance to someone else.
I support it. I would be scared if I were in a minority who the police targetted more frequently anyway.
i dont think race should play any part at all in carrers (sp?) i dnt think you should have to state that on the aplication form. i also disagree with people writing their race on the census as i cant think of any reason why anyone would need that information that wasnt for a racist cause.
if the police had changed it to white men get fast tracked to the police force im sure it wouldnt of even been considered by anyone and the guy who said it would of been sacked.
agree
You need people who identify as L, G, B or T to be able to empathise with some situations... You need women for empathy to some situations and for arrest procedures when another female is brought in.
I would trust a police force less, if it were entirely white men, or any other group.
Are only some racial groups or sexualities able to empathise then?
Not that I want coppers to be empathatic - I want them to nick criminals.
Having said that, if you accept that racism exists, you have to accept that in a job such as the police, a black police officer might be better at policing a particular area than a white police officer, particularly if it involves getting information from a community. As much as I hate basing policing on pandering to racists, sometimes a job like this has necessary evils that ultimately have better results.
If a woman has been raped, it would maybe be more comfortable for her to be interviewed by a female officer, same with people who have experienced violence related directly to their sexuality.
If you are looking at crime within a minority family, for example forced marriage, I think that it may be more useful for members of that group to have greater involvement.
How can a police force which is anything but mixed be able to function fairly in a multicultural society?
And yes, I think members of some groups can understand the context of certain situations better than white men who are not in those groups.
Imagine an all white police force in an area where a lot of people from certain minorities live and where there is already racial tension.
I'm pretty sure these are already in function in many police forces.
It's not like the police force is 100% white male. It's just that they're trying to bring it in line with demographics of the whole nation which I agree with
Then again it can get quite silly, anyone remember the case of the Gloucestershire police force who turned down over a 100 applicants because they happened to be white male? Stupid that.
In honour crimes we don't want to understand them we want to stop them
I'll give you that one
Why? I think it would be better for somone who would sympathise with the victim, not one who can understand where the perpetrators are coming from.
Who says I don't want it mixed? However positive discrimination doesn't work.
Perhaps, however they are also be seen as traitors. The IRA went out of its way to murder Catholic Policemen and of the two coppers who were kidnapped during the Broadwater Farm riots the one from the ethnic minority was treated much worse - being forced to eat shit and threatened with death.
Er? So we should recruit from the police from the ranks of peadophiles, rapists and murderers?
But that is a massive leap of faith, suggesting that just because someone is black (whatever that really means) they understand black issues better is bonkers.
Well there is one black issue. Racism doesn't discriminate between someone from the West Indies and Somalia.
Its hardly just a black issue, racism can affect anyone. Its just less likely to affect someone white and middle class.
its not a 'black issue'. what a weird term. its a racist issue. in my opinion there is one race, the human race . and thats it. we have different customs and traditions but we are all people.
i would call that appearance rather than race but yeah i will give you that one exception, kind of like you wouldnt have a women playing a mans part in a play or film.