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Exactly, hence the "not that it excuses anything"
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=311606472The Satanic Sluts MySpace
And seemingly happy enough to brag about getting a mention on Brand's show the day AFTER it was broadcast :chin:
I've already condemned the voicemails being left on the grandfathers phone, but I'd doubt the OFCOM complaints tally would be as high if her activities were brought further to light. Half the people complaining probably think she's Florence Nightingale or something.
That's the kind of thing that happens when you start a band calling yourself sluts. Wossy and Bwand should get their arses kicked for it, but it's getting blown out of proportion a bit.
Because he's an entertainer, and he's entertaining people. He might be stupid in the way he does it, but entertainers and especially weirdo comedians are supposed to be wacky. If he stuck to the rules he'd be boring.
Incidentally, for those who wonder what Georgina Baillie thinks of all this, click on this. It's towards the bottom of the article, the text in question is bold. I know it's not the most reliable source, but I can't find much else right now.
By wacky I mean 'out there', unpredictable, stupid, offensive even. That's what they do to get laughs. I mean, look at the fast show on the telly (I think) where they go to public spaces and make people feel uncomfortable to film it and everyone laughs at how the average joe gets offended or uncomfortable by these figures.
I mean if you ever go to a stand up you KNOW not to sit at the front (unless you are in a confrontational mood
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XCbrEbEyheM
Like any other artform, if you go too far then nobody will want to listen to you. But it turns out people like a healthy dose of schadenfraude. If it goes a little too far I think we should let a comedians fans judge them and maybe the comedian drops like a stone from the sky (its pretty competitive!) or else they change their act to suit their audience. Remember when Jonny Vegas was accused of sexual assault on stage, when it turned out it was just some feminazi getting upset because of her comfort boundaries being pushed a little too far (see: http://www.answers.com/topic/pater-les-bourgeois) and that there was no actual sexual assault. No apology then, just removed the slanderous article from the interwebs.
Comedians are supposed to be pushing the boat out, they're artists. They're supposed to offend and cause upset because on the flipside they entertain. There is a point where you have gone too far and upset someone too much but that's not necessarily because of the act (exception: see above) but sometimes just because the person is too sensitive. Like I said, I never sit at the front of a stand up because I probably couldn't take it! But it's fun for the rest of us to watch
If they go too far then fair enough slap their wrists and get them to apologise but demanding their resignation / lining up before a firing squad a dawn is a complete overreaction. It would be like someone creating some music so horrendous people say they should be banned from making music. But people love music with swearwords in
Did they go too far: yes
Do comedians frequently go to far: yes
I don't think Brand's great, I've never found him funny.
And those of you confusing the licence fee with some form of democracy, I'm afraid that's never how it's going to work. Which is a shame, I'd love to outlaw Dancing on Ice, which is quite clearly more offensive than Brand can ever be.
Try as I might I can't find a redeeming feature about Russell Brand... as Jim says, it's his failure to apologise properly afterwards that makes the difference between someone who's had a moment of twattery and regrets it, and somone who is an unrepentant wankstain.
On a tangent note, I am gravely concerned by the abscence of Kermit on this thread. You haven't killed him and buried him in the garden GWST, have you?
If someone rang me up to report a call of that nature I'd be round the offender's house giving them an £80 fine. For someone of Brand's stature we'd be taking him to court, yet because he's a celebrity he gets off scott free.
Which makes what you said, irrelevant. There is no benefit in even mentioning it.
The fact that you seemed to raise an idea that because Sachs was 78 and had been on the BBC for many years, he could therefore expect to have abusive messages left on his answerphone, was in itself ridiculous.
I may not be intererested in many programs that the BBC offer, but I would still expect them to maintain some self-control. Ross is nearly 50, for goodness sake! It was hardly a teenage prank.
For the record, I don't think that they should be fired either - but I do think that they should show GENUINE remorse for their flippant aplogies aftrerwards (well, Brand in particular).
It was interesting that you asked if any of us had ACTUALLY heard the broadcast. It seems you don't ACTUALLY watch/listen to the BBC much anyway. 'Dancing on Ice' is on ITV!
I am sure Ross's apology would have been sincere. I agree, he needs no further action taken against him (apart from a serious talking to
Brand's flippant recent apology will make any further apology by him seem shallow ...
Nor that a few of those papers didn't have an axe to grind with the BBC of course...
Well, congratulations are due to the Daily Hatemail for a very successful attack on the BBC.
I also think someone who really gives a toss about not offending their family wouldnt plaster those pictures on the internet in the first place.
I think what Jonathan Ross and Russell Brand did was bad, but i think the reaction has been well over the top.
I think the Sun did that, didn't they?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1081414/Georgina-Baillie-Brand-Ross-sacked-way-treated-grandfather.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7697354.stm
I've just done exactly that :razz:
Especially can't believe that Gordon Brown and David Cameron have been getting involved...haven't they got more important issues to be dealing with at the moment?!
No.
Her and others keep going on about him being 78 years old and elderly, as if it was a) deliberate cruelty and bullying against an old person, and b) as if he wouldn't have given as good as he'd gotten if he had picked up the phone.
It's not some random bloke they picked from a care home, there was a reason he was supposed to be on the Russell Brand show and it wasn't exactly to debate cheaper energy bills for the elderley was it?
I hold the daughter in contempt, she's actually as bad as JR and RB because she's milking what happened to her pops for all it's worth. She wants to be seen as the one who got those two sacked.
Some folk must have far too much time on their hands to complain about a radio show they never heard. If they get sacked then you're aswell closing the BBC channels at 9 every night and filling the schedules with George Fornby on his ukelele or something.
Saying that, Brand is a loser so I'd have put in 1,000 complaints just to get him off the payroll.
I think I've just disagreed with myself. Ah well.