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Stock Exchange chaplain says gays should have health warnings tattooed on them
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The Rev Dr Peter Mullen said in an blog that homosexuality was "clearly unnatural, a perversion and corruption of natural instincts and affections" and "a cause of fatal disease".
He recommended that homosexual practices be discouraged "after the style of warnings on cigarette packets".
He wrote: "Let us make it obligatory for homosexuals to have their backsides tattooed with the slogan SODOMY CAN SERIOUSLY DAMAGE YOUR HEALTH and their chins with FELLATIO KILLS."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/3145269/Homosexuals-should-carry-warning-tattoos-says-chaplain.html
Perhaps I will drop by the good chaplain's office and stick a few of these stickers on his holy books. Fair is fair, surely...
Fucking twat :rolleyes:
Incidentally, I am quite puzzled (if not a bit interested) in this 'DEATH BY FELLATIO' business. How can I research this further?
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What militant preaching of homosexuality, dare I ask?
His underlaying profound homophobia is quite obvious throughout his blog entry I thought.
But in any case, whether he was joking is beside the point. Well, unless you think it would have been okay as well to make 'jokes' about Jews and gypsies having "ADDICTED TO MONEY" and "WARNING: YOUR WATCH IS AT RISK WITH ME AROUND" respectively tattooed on their foreheads.
Giggedy giggedy I'm a-getting out of here.
Homophobic bullying in schools is endemic.
The facts from Stonewall's report are disturbing. There's more suicides, more self harm and lower educational achievements amongst lesbian/gay/bi/trans students because of bullying... most LGBT people don't have kids, it's straight people's kids who are suffering - straight Britain needs to do more, it can't just be left to organisations like Stonewall. To be fair the LibDems and Labour are really progressive - lets just hope that if Cameron gets back in the Conservatives don't go back to their old ways. Labour's big failure has been promoting religious schools though - where this chaplain's views are commonplace.
To be fair they probably don't teach that it should be made 'obligatory for homosexuals to have their backsides tattooed with the slogan SODOMY CAN SERIOUSLY DAMAGE YOUR HEALTH'.
True but what majority of the gay population (I wont say community, that doesn't exist) portray themselves, as nearly all of this bullying is aiming at? Pride, 'campness'? Those alone don't help the situation between gay people and straight people. Pride if anything is withdrawing gay people from society. I personally hate anything that is aimed towards being gay, the rainbow for instance, who's idea was it to use that as a symbol? It's an embarasement and shamefull to follow it.
The people who parade about getting 'equal rights' in society are the root cause of the problems, sticking it in someones face and increasing the never ending fact of what a gay person looks, acts and speaks like isn't helping.
From http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:8CVjPdAIrYQJ:petermullen.typepad.com/+peter+mullen+blog&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk&client=firefox-a
(If that link doesn't work you can grab it from the Guardian) To be honest I understand what he's trying to do, somehow shock Parris or others who see the church as irrevelant into responding, but it's not satire is it? That's polemic - and as such it doesn't really get to be excused as humour - at least in my reading.
And as to the wider issues - I do have issues with the idea that being different in society means it's somehow your own fault when you are treated inequally. There's nothing wrong with being gay, and the attitude of - 'if you'd just stop acting gay and stay in the closet you wouldn't be bullied' is pretty much highlights exactly why this inequality is something that should be challenged and protested against.
Yeah, I can see how women and blacks brought it all upon themselves as well...
Heh nice pic but I think his point was more the sub culture of gayness. I.e 'we're here, we're queer, get used to it!' and all the dressing up as 'gay' whatever that is.
There is no reason why people who are gay need to subscribe to the scene and many don't. That scene probably on balance further segregates gay people from straight people - though the other argument is in normal society there are so few gay people (between 2% and 10% depending who you listen to) you could find it hard to find other gay people to relate to and indeed just date...
Just thought I'd throw that in as my interpretation of what JavaKrypt was saying.
Frankly I fail to see how anyone of an open mind could possibly be annoyed (let alone offended) some people celebrating and fooling around on a parade one day a year. It's not as if the men and women wearing silly costums and "acting queer" during the such marches do that every other day of the year during their normal working lives is it? Anyone who has problem with how people act and dress on a demo one day a year is a bit fucked up IMO. There is one easy solution to the problem anyway: don't attend the demo and don't watch it on TV.
I'm ashamed of pride. I'd prefer to tell the ones who support pride every year "fuck you, you should be ashamed". You'd be surprized of how many gay people hate pride and the whole gay scene. I don't hate the idea, but I hate the fact it's lost ALL meaning of what it's supposed to get across. Surely they could parade for equal rights for everyone instead of themselves just because of their sexuality?
it shouldn't be on TV in the first place. It's not something that you should watch for a bit of fun. Last pride when they put it on the 6 oclock news - why? they never showed a single (straight acting) gay person, they shown what the stereotype says we are, queens, camps, cross dressers, whores.
You do realise that many of those will be straight? I am, and I've spent plenty of time dancing and celebrating at gay marches and festivals.
Frankly, only an extraordinarily stupid person could possibly think all (or even most) gays are ultra camp drag queens because of Gay Pride, any more than they might believe all Brazilian women walk around with tight bikinies on and feathers on their heads, on account of footage of the Rio Carnival...
Dude, the fact that you and I can even be openly gay is because we stand on the shoulders of giants - people who went out and in some cases, took their lives in their hands to be themselves, and opened the eyes of a close-minded society.
Gay Pride, although more of a party and a celebration of our society these days, is also a political reminder that we cannot be swept under the carpet again. The day that our society does not blink an eye if a man is seen holding hands with another man in public, when a man can kiss another man without people throwing their hands up and accusing us of damaging the country's morals, when gay people can book into any hotel without fear of prejudice, when a gay relationship is held with the same respect as a straight relationship, there will be no more need for gay pride. The gay bashings that go on every weekend in this country, proves we are not there yet.
I would imagine from your postings on this subject, that you are not an 'out' gay man, and you fear that other peoples' campness will reflect badly on you. Well, I go on the gay scene quite a lot and MOST gay people are not as over the top as you imply. Yes, the 'screaming queen' types may get the headlines and are very visible, but they are a minority. Most of us get on with our lives, with our heads down and live our lives as we want to live .. quietly .. as any other person in our society.
Please don't assume that those of us who are open about our sexuality are rubbing it in people's faces. I will hold hands with my girlfriend if I wish, I will certainly not deny her existence, and I will contest homophobic remarks made in my hearing (as I would racist, sexist, disablist...) but that doesn't make me a militant, it does not mean I am preaching homosexuality and it damn sure does not mean I want to convert people.
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You speak so much sense on this kinda stuff, far more than a lot of gay people actually.
I'm 'out' as it's put to friends and my brother, but I don't plan on coming out, the only issue that needs to be fixed is the general thoughts of people towards sexuality. So many times I've been asked "Got a girlfreind yet?" Even by people who know, it doesn't register as it exists in this world. Changing peoples minds on such a high scale like that is almost impossible, so the point of a parade once a year doesn't change anything whatsoever, well not for the better.
I disagree. In all respect, I don't think you quite understand the motive behind Gay Pride events. It's because of putting ourselves under the spotlight like that in the past, that you are even able to come out to your brother and friends without fear of reprisal. You are blinkered by a spectacle which you personally do not approve of. That's fair enough. I have only ever been to one Gay Pride event myself but I am still glad that it goes on. You may not approve of Gay Pride but the fact that it is out there, means that it is discussed. I think that is a good thing.
By the by, even on these boards and after some heated discussions of gay related issues, I have noticed a couple of people's attitudes have softened towards gay people. It's good to get the debate out in the open so that people can confront their own possible prejudices/misunderstanding.
Put it this way, if I was in a club and a guy who acted camp said to me, he's straight, I'd think, really? That's how the majority works - so changing that stereotype first needs to end the public displays OF the stereotype. Then if I started talking to another guy who 'acted straight' and looked the same, then we'd think he's straight - the more people see that being camp doesn't mean you're gay and vice versa, and that we are just normal people then the quicker and easier it will be for people to accept it.
The problem is most gay men let the sexuality change their personalities and lifestyle, which is like a sonicboom on the gay population as a whole. Like my cousin, he was straight, then said he was gay, instantly when he came out he went into hairdressing, yet he never had an interest in it. Other lifestyles like cabin crew, nurses - the stereotype needs to change first.
The rainbow flag means NOTHING to no one who isn't gay - and the ones who don't support gay pride events, so how is that inpacting peoples views? It's not, only the ones who currently are accepting towards it.
Plus a festival doesn't and can't change the views of the government, if they wanted to make it illegal to be gay again, I'm sure they would. But in the current world right now, it wouldn't happen - even with pride.
Dude, I can understand that perhaps coming to grips with your homosexuality may have put more questions in your mind than answers ... but disparaging the hard work that all these 'camp' people have done on your behalf is not going to help you. On your behalf, their successes include the statutory protection for LGB people from discrimination in the provision of goods, facilities and services; campaigns to achieve full partnership rights for same-sex couples; campaigns to achieve employment equality legislation protecting gay people from discrimination and harassment at work etc. But their work continues - Incitement to hatred (campaign to secure a new criminal offence of inciting hatred against lesbian and gay people); campaigning to secure full legal recognition for same-sex parents; campaign to tackle homophobia and homophobic bullying in schools; Workplace equality - working to ensure that gay people are treated equally in the workplace.
'Camp' gay people make up just a proportion of our community and, unless you are the kind of person that says all Muslims must be terrorists, or all Americans must be fat, etc, then you must come to realise that everyone is different, and accept that any group within every society has its own 'sub cultures'. It's just the way it it.
p.s. just want to add that my post looks as though I am 'attacking' you - and I don't mean it to. It's called 'heated debate'.
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I knew I'd heard that quote from somewhere - I was hoping it was more Shakesperian