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Could someone explain what the difference is...

between Kosovo declaring independence and the West recognising it...

and South Ossetia and Abkhazia declaring independence and Russia recognising it?

Because it seems the countries that so happily recognised Kosovo as an independent nation have thrown their toys out of the pram about Russia doing just that with the two provinces.

Gotta love it, really...
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Although Russia didn't recognise Chechnya's bid for autonomy either. :)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It might be that after one of the nastiest campaigns of ethnic cleansing since WW2 that Serbia deserved to get its hand spanked in Bos and Kosovo. Georgia isn't in the same league (it now looks like instead of the 1500 civilian dead claimed by Russia - its 44).

    As a predicition I reckon in a couple of years Russia will to 'massive demand' from the Ossetians incorporate Ossetia into Mother Russia. I don't think its likely Kosovo will become a state of the US.

    Finally its the hypocrisy of International Relations - practiced by both those who are pro-West and their detractors (who are just as hypocritical in their own way)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Oh indeed. They didn't recognise Kosovo's either.

    They are as bad as each other. What is rather irritating is the insistence of much of the media and most of our political parties that we are the good guys and that Russia has done is unnaceptable.

    Hellooooooo! :rolleyes:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The difference is that Russia 'recognising their independance' is nothing of the sort, they have totally taken over SO and have stationed loads of troops there.

    Its the same as if Ireland marched into NI and said to protect Irish citizens they wont allow any UK troops or police into the area.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well you could argue that NATO bombed Serbia quite thoroughly too (and indeed bombed cities far away from the combat zone, namely Belgrade, just like Russia has done) and put its own troops in Kosovo too, so there is not much difference there.

    But regardless of the actual war and Russian military presence, the West has expressed a fresh wave of outrage over the specific act of the Russian parliament recognising the independence of SO. I really don't see the difference between that and nation after nation in the West queuing up to recognise Kosovo when it declared its independence.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote: »
    I really don't see the difference between that and nation after nation in the West queuing up to recognise Kosovo when it declared its independence.

    Kosovo declared its own independance, it didnt have a 3rd party country march in with lots of troops to 'protect' it from its own country.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    But as I understand it SO declared its independence several years ago- by popular vote as well. The democratic desire of the overwhelming majority of the population was expressed well before this conflict.

    The West should be jumping for joy and fully supporting SO- that is, if it believed a single word of what it preaches to the world.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote: »
    But as I understand it SO declared its independence several years ago- by popular vote as well. The democratic desire of the overwhelming majority of the population was expressed well before this conflict.

    The West should be jumping for joy and fully supporting SO- that is, if it believed a single word of what it preaches to the world.

    :yes:

    From Wikipedia :

    "The United Nations, European Union, Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), Council of the European Union, North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and all other countries in the world recognize South Ossetia as part of Georgia. However, the de facto republic governed by the secessionist government held a second independence referendum on November 12, 2006, after its first referendum in 1992 was not recognized by the international community as valid. According to the Tskhinvali election authorities, the referendum turned out a majority for independence from Georgia where 99% of South Ossetian voters supported independence and the turnout for the vote was 95% and the referendum was monitored by a team of 34 international observers from Germany, Austria, Poland, Sweden and other countries at 78 polling stations. However, it was not recognized internationally by the UN, European Union, OSCE, NATO and the Russian Federation, given the lack of ethnic Georgian participation and the legality of such referendum without recognition from the central government in Tbilisi. The European Union, OSCE and NATO condemned the referendum."

    Having said that, as 29% of the population are Georgian speakers (66.2% are Ossetians), how did they get 99% support? I would have thought the 29% would have opted to remain in Georgia. Hmmmmmm ....
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote: »
    Well you could argue that NATO bombed Serbia quite thoroughly too (and indeed bombed cities far away from the combat zone, namely Belgrade, just like Russia has done)

    Serbia were also forced to accept (free-market) economic reforms and, essentially, a change of political leadership, which Georgia has not.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teagan wrote: »
    Although Russia didn't recognise Chechnya's bid for autonomy either. :)

    Perhaps because Abkhazia and South Ossetia are regions within Georgia (whom Russia doesn't like very much) whereas Chechnya is a region of Russia. It would be the equivalent of Bradford declaring itself independent from the UK.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Perhaps because Abkhazia and South Ossetia are regions within Georgia (whom Russia doesn't like very much) whereas Chechnya is a region of Russia. It would be the equivalent of Bradford declaring itself independent from the UK.

    Or more appropriately like Scotland wanting to be seperate.
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