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9% drop in crime
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But will anyone believe it?
They had a professor of criminology on the BBC earlier, and he said that tha vast majority of people felt that crime was going up in general, but when you ask them about their own area, almost all of them say it's going down.
Police-recorded crime in England and Wales fell 9% in the 12 months to March, latest figures suggest.
The first reliable figures for knife crime showed there were 22,000 offences last year.
The politics of fear in action by any chance?The statistics also show that while the risk of being a victim is at its lowest ever level, people still think that the rate is going up.
They had a professor of criminology on the BBC earlier, and he said that tha vast majority of people felt that crime was going up in general, but when you ask them about their own area, almost all of them say it's going down.
So much for our constantly declining moral standards that certain commentators are always banging on about.They also say the figures mirror trends in falling crime seen throughout the developed world.
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I think you've just solve the problem of crime, immigration, global warming, deaths in Iraq.......what else do papers complain about?
Wellingborough has 30 % more bulgaries than Kettering and kettering is twice the size of Wellingborough ! in the instances that I have been involved in the police being called (damage to cars at local village hall and my dads car being brocken into) the police were all mouth and NO action they were very over optimistic and it was clearly to put our minds at ease but was obviously not going to take the form of much action there was infact little that could be done for my dads card and the extra policing of the village was a fucking miky take, while officers sat cosily in their cars 100 metres around the corner kids were prating about in the road on a zebra crosing with bikes and a football naturaly if I had hit one I would be to blame but then this is a truly democratic country.
apart from a general increase in seroious crime there is a growing attitude of uncaring and unrest in young people. When I go to a pub with my local Rotaract club we ALWAYS advoid central pubs and go out in the country ones. a friend of ours was knocked unconcious in a row over a foot ball match and the police were called. The police (bless the darlings) refused to enter the pub and deal with it because they may have got injured while an unconcios man was being trampled all over it was firends that finally took the risks and dragged him out by his feet as fast as possible, the incident was not at all followed up by the police who could have arrested those responsable on the spot.
another member of the club has had here car damaged by neibouring youngsters naturally nothing can be proven and guess what ? yea you guessed the police are being very very active in sending out letters asking for whitnesses bla bla bla yet they were willing to stand by and let a man be trampled to death if it hadn't been for his friends.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pressass/20080719/tuk-public-urged-to-take-stand-on-crime-6323e80.html
Thanks jacky tell ya what lets do away with the police completely eh ? save some tax payer money just leave the terrorist dept running !
You give your town as an example saying it has had 30% more burglaries. What does that mean exactly? The town I work in had a 400% drop in robbery. We went from having 4 robberies to 0 in the same time period. The nearby village had a 300% increase in burglaries, because it had 6 instead of 3.
Percentage statistics on their own are amongst the most misleading, especially when dealing with crime. When looking at the crime stats for both areas, Kettering has 4 burglaries for every thousand people, Wellingborough has 6. Hardly a crime wave when you consider Northampton has just under 10 and the city I work in has 20.
on a country wide level % ones are generally fine though many areas are prone to under reporting
some crimes are iffy to use %s for like murder because there is only under a 1000 per year i heard so any small change is a hefty %, ie 0.1%
Yet he admitted he had never been a victim of crime, and that the bit he lived in was the "better" end of town, and he was just going by the fact he has seen more and more reports of crime on the news.
Nationally you're right. You're dealing with such huge numbers a percentage change can represent a huge difference in terms on numbers, My force alone reported 35,000 fewer victims last year, a drop of 9% which is pretty much standard nationwide.
When you shrink the scale, down to small towns and villages, the percentages are meaningless, a 50% increase can actually mean 1 extra crime.
When my dad was broken into as he slept (the theif ran off when he realized there was someone in the house) the police came 2 days later and basically told my dad that either the window catch had unscrewed its self all on its own or that my dad was that stupid that he had undone it himself and plain forgot and i know damn well my dad woul;d never do a thing like that being a super cautious person. The police station was actually shut for a period because it was getting vandalized !
exactly!
well he was a bit over the top then again a friend of mine lived on the edge of the worst part of plymouth for a year but had no problems mind you she hardly went looking for trouble
I didn't join because I'm good at maths
Of course, but the fact is that most of us haven't just been mugged, nor are we likely to be. And yet most of us still seem to have this opinion that society is going to shit and that every walk home will either result in us being mugged, beaten up, raped or killed.
I think that quote says it all. The majority of people get their impressions of this from something other than personal experience, so I think it says a lot about those other sources that people actually think crime is rising. Interestingly too, the professor of criminology I saw on the news said that those who were most concerned by crime tended to be those who lived in the areas least likely to actually be affected by it. Maybe they're the ones least able to see with their own eyes that the media and politicians are generally talking out of their arse and exaggerating everything to their own benefit.
A fall in crime of that magnitude? it would be very unusual for that many people to simply stop ringing up, especially as most would be calling for a crime number to claim on insurance.
We'll have to wait for the British crime survey to be sure.
At least in our force, over time and with increased numbers of calls we are able to increase resources in an area, and after a couple of years we're beginning to see the effect.
all you have to do is read any tabloid these days to see the scaremongering is ridiculous ffs!
“There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.” Overrall crime may be going down but the number of teenagers killed in London has been going up since 2006. You can't pin that one on scaremongering by the villainous media and opportunist politicians.
There are also idiotic maxims and the fucking idiots that use them.
Says the guy who can't see the paradox in the phrase "idiotic maxims". :eek2:
exactly plus the general increase in antisocial behaviour but then the way of dealing with it is examplary. no you don't put bobbies on the beat who can deal with misbehaving youths and confiscate alcohol you tell the shops if you sell alcohol to under 18s we will fine you in other words they shift the responsability. what about all the over 18s that get drunk and cause trouble ? how is it the gov always tries to solve issues by making restraining laws for all instead of sending out the people WE PAY to keep law and order to deal with those that can't be responsable and do something about it.
Again, you're pointing out things from your own quite limited point of view. Lots of areas put extra staff on duty at the weekends. My station goes from having 3 response officers, 2 beat managers and 4 PCSO's in the week, to 4/5 response officers, 4 beat managers, 6-10 PCSO's and at least 4 special constables at the weekend. Standing orders are to do your paperwork the day after and not to come back to the station except for your dinner. We'll spend all night stopping/searching people, confiscating alcohol, making arrests and taking underage kids home for their parents to deal with and people have told us we've made a big difference. Combine that with the extra work us schools officers are doing in school to prevent kids getting into trouble in the first place and you're looking at vast improvements in minor antisocial behaviour.
Yes we have begun imposing heavy fines on shops who CONTINUALLY supply alcohol to underage kids, but only because until we did they were making it extremely easy for underage kids to get their hands on beer, until we started fining people it was blatantly obvious what was going on. You'd see adults going in and coming out with a bag of beer and handing it to a bunch of kids.
Dealing with over 18's is a little harder, but we've set up one town as a "designated area" making it an offence to consume alcohol in public (discretionary, we don't target picnics and people behaving themselves) and thanks to the legislation contained in the Violent Crime Reduction Act.2006 we're able to order people who are drunk to leave an area. If they return within 48 hours they can be arrested. Perfect if you are having problems with people gathering outside your house drinking and causing problems.
Just because it seems that the force that you live in doesn't seem to do anything, it doesn't mean it isn't, and it definitely doesn't mean other forces aren't making full use of their staff and the legislation.
It's impossible to have a 400% drop unless you can have a negative amount of crime.
The biggest drop you can have is 100%, going down from whatever it was to 0.
You can however have an increase of 400% if it goes up 5 times. In your example though it went up 100%.