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Given the choice, Burton must be the better option ? A much bigger club, with a greater history and more promising future, much more support and no reputation of doing explicit things to sheep <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
In answer to your second last post, I support Wimbledon- Plough Lane being yards away from my first residence.
As for your comments above, perhaps you happen to know a quite a few fellow United supporters who follow England. I don't. I've never said all United fans are the same. But the club certainly gets the highest apathy towards England- by far- amongst football clubs' supporters.
You don't seem prepared to admit that the Man U supporter base is rather dislikeable. That's all I'm pointing out. As I said earlier I don't hate the club. But I do have a problem when I go to watch a Premiership game in a pub in London and 50%+ of the punters support United. I've been to ordinary Premiership games at OT and the train from London was packed full of United fans. These very people would then queue happily for hours to get in the Superstore, where they promptly spent their hardly-earned money on the latest away top and some memorabilia.
I used to blame the club for shameless commercialism but hey, if a set of supporters is so fucking stupid as to buy 10 different kits in four seasons, why stop producing them?
This is the main reason why so many people can't stand Man U. Whilst it's clearly not the fault of genuine fans to attract such glory-hunting brigade, it's about time you stopped your "no-one likes us because we're the best" crap excuse.
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You don't like the fact that United attract more fans and that these fans are prepared to travel whenever they watch their team (something which Wimbledon supporters can't do apparently), you also seem to object to that fact that these fans happily fork out cash to support their team. Cash which is then invested in the club and helps maintain their success rate.
And before you start down the old "merchandising" horse-shit trail, you need to be reminded (or told) that the largest source of income for the club is Gate Receipts (by over £13m), in fact TV comes in second too (£7m more than merchadise).
I am happy to accept that there are plenty of fans who give the club a bad name, but as your team should know, fans are the lifeblood of a club. Without fans a club is nothing. That simple.
You hate MUFC because of the fact that they are successful, and this is rammed down your throat by the number of kids you see wearing the shirt in your neighbourhood - and at a time when your team looks like having to move to survive. That must really grate and I sympathise.
When I was a kid, everyone was wearing Liverpool shirts. Times change. Get used to it. in 20 years time we'll be looking back to now saying how we remember the good ol' days...
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Personally, I don't know of a single English Man Utd fan who <STRONG>won't</STRONG> be supporting England in the World Cup. Like I said, a quarter of the squd will probably be United players. United fans are nothing if not fiercely loyal.
Next time the England fans are singing about how "Posh spice takes it up the arse" remember what you said about patroitic fans...next time an ephigy of Beckham is hung becuase of a single incident think on what you've said.
One thing is supporting your club by attending games, becoming a member, etc, the other buying 10 kits in 3 seasons. Of course, this in itself is not malicious or ill-intended. But if you don’t really see what’s wrong with it there is no much point in me elaborating.
I certainly take as much pleasure from supporting a very small club as others would from following a big one. We know our limitations and our realistic goals. Kicking a bigger team out of the FA Cup brings me as much satisfaction as winning it might bring to you lot. Pathetic, I know, but that’s what football is about. We do not have many fans at all, but like I said I’ve been more times to OT than most United fans would ever dream/bother to, and if there is one thing I’m no jealous of it’s the Man U supporter base. On that, my friend, you are bottom of the Football League.
I can see we’re never going to agree on anything so I’m going to call it a day. Perhaps one day, when the glory-hunting brigade have switched to Arsenal and the Gunners are the most hated club in England, we might bump into each other at a bar in OT (or Milton Keynes by the looks of it) and discuss the demons possessing football.
P.S. I WISH I could see kids wearing Man U shirts round here. It’s all Crystal Palace tops- a most disturbing sight.
I love to see the little teams beat the big ones (so long as its not United <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">) and hate to see the position that many smaller clubs find themselves. I also know that the actions of clubs like United contributes to their plight.
I just don't see the point in blaming the fans, just becuase they don't subscribe to your picture of what a fan should be.
Like I said, fanaticism is a feeling not a stereotype.
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As for the plight of the Wombles, that's a tough one. I'd love to see them return to Plough Lane, but I fear those days are gone. You current owners are hell bent on moving to Milton Keynes and the league will back them up, solely becuase they don't want another club to go under - not with so many already threatened.
But you'll stick with them, and most of you will make the journey because, unlike the money men, to us fans football is a religion. Its in the blood.
I'd look at Livingston in Scotland as proof of what can be achieved. As meadowbank Thistle they were a crap lower division team who never amounted to much. New Owners came in and said they were moving the club - alienating many fans. But, in this case, the owners were right. Livingston (as they are now known) has just achieved the highest finish in their history and have nbigger crowds than ever.
And as I said earlier, without the fans and the crowd, clubs are nothing.
People should support the league team from their home town, unless, of course, they come from an area with no league teams. It isnt just Manchester United by any stretch of the imagination, L666s, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Celtic and The Ibrox Scum all do the same. It still stink though, and the reason why teams like Lincoln City have gone bust. People glory-support top Premiership sides instead of supporting the grass roots. Before wide-scale TV coverage people didnt...says everything.
Just out of interest MoK, what is your connection with Manchester? If you have a good one then fair dos, but supporting a team and watching teams like Maidstone United go bust because you like their shirts or a celebrity likes them is wrong. And more and more people are doing that.
Connection with Manchester = none - well not geographically.
Does that mean I cannot be a supporter = no.
I started supporting United back in the seventies when Liverpool were winning everything in site, and I don't apologise when I admit that the final in 1977 was when I really started to get interested in them. I figured that any team which could be the almighty Liverpool was worth a look...
In the early eighties I was a season ticket holder for Canterbury City, my home town club. We used to get crowd of about 200, although we could get as many as 1000 for local games, such as those against Dover Athletic (who were in the same Division then). This was what became the Beazer Homes League - Southern Division and I used to travel to games in Poole, Newport I.O.W etc.
Unfortunately crap Directors etc saw the club decline and now they sit in the Kent league and have no home stadium - whilst Dover reached the dizzy heights of the Conference (until this year).
In fact the supporter base for City was so low that I was on first name terms with the chairman, and at half time they put the kettle on for those who didn't have their own flasks. We're talking lowest league stuff here...
If the club was still around, then I would still go there.
Because I knew that Canterbury and United would never meet I never had a conflict and with the demise of one, I continue with the other. By the same token, I couldn't follow any other Kent side becuase there was every chance that they could meet - Gillingham were Third/Fouth Div, Maidstone were in the Conference and Dover were still our league rivals..so I never really developed a passion for any of them - except as rivals. Does anyone else root for their local rivals?
I have great affection for Mansfield, i've spent a fair few afternoons over at Field Mill, although as i follow the reds home and away it makes it difficult to get the oppotunity <IMG SRC="frown.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> But i think this is typical affection amongst forest fans and likewise mansfield fans like Forest. I have no real hate of notts County either, i certainly don't like them, but i'm indifferent when their result comes in <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
The true east midlands rivalry is Derby Forest, Leicster, County, Mansfield and the rest just fit around that !