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Does anyone think this man shouldn't die in prison?
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Surely death in a secure mental institution is more appropriate?
Yeah. It'd honestly be quite pointless trying anything with the man.
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No taking the quick exit from his sentence, like Shipman, for him.
It's quite a famous one I thought - but in my opinion he's bad not mad.
You know full well this isn't even "politics", let alone a "debate". It's a "let's see who can say the nastiest thing possible and get everybody else cheering" thread.
Aye and so he should. Forget about the teenage girl he left to die in a sewer, forget about the three blokes he blasted to death for a few quid.
Though as you're disagreeing with us, it's obviously debate
It has nothing to do with forgetting his victims, its understanding that 30 years is a very long time in prison, and it is also a long enough time for someone to change fundamentally.
People like this gentleman committed acts so serious that the only suitable punishment is life in prison without any possibility of parole. There is undoubtedly an element of revenge in a punishment for a crime as serious as this, but why is that a bad thing?
AND rehabilition.
And? I don't think prison is just there to give people a chance to change - some crimes are so evil that the person should die in jail.
They make the right noises about rehabilitation- young people who are sentenced to imprisonment get a "detention and training order"- long on the detention and short on the training- but it means nothing.
The only logical reason to keep this man inside any longer is if he's still a danger to the public, which I seriously doubt he is. Either way a parole board would have been best to judge.
Exactly, just because the current justice system is largely about revenge doesnt mean its the best way forward. If you look at justice systems around the world it is the countries which have both punishment and rehabilitation which have lower crime rates. Just purely focusing on punishment leads to over crowded jails and no reduction of crime.
But there's a difference between someone who's stolen a car, perhaps even someone who's mugged old ladies and someone who brutally murdered four people. I can accept that we can rehabilitate some people, but others the crime is so evil that the only justice is that they die in jail - which shows more mercy than they gave their victims.
Of course, but then we should always have more mercy than murderers, surely thats the sign of a decent society.
I'm not suggesting he should just be let out, but after 30 years I do think he should be allowed to go before a parol board who are the experts.
And if it just about how long he's been inside, how long should a cold-blooded mass murderer serve before he's allowed to get out and walk freely? Because that's what a call for the parole board means- that he should be let out.
It's not the 30 years people are talking about it's the fact he's 71 now .. how exactly can you not see the difference?
if he went in at age 18 for 30 years he'd be 48 and (assuming he was in good health) quite capable of robbing and murdering again
However I doubt a man of 71 is likely to be getting into much trouble
Regardless of this man's "threat", he committed four foul murders and if he'd done the murders only a few years before he'd have had his neck stretched. Give me one good reason why a man who behaved like this should EVER taste freedom again.
Some crimes are so serious that the perpetrators should never be allowed out of prison. Or do you think that everyone should be let out if they can say that they're really really sorry for torturing someone to death and then hiding their body in a sewer?
I don't think they should be. How do the parole board 9and public) know he won't do something similar to what he did 30 years ago?
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Lock him up and never let him out, regardless.
Old age totally changes a person - this can be both in a good way or a bad way.
Being let out in public after 30 years locked away would probably be harder on him then actually being left inside.
Quite frankly yes, 30 years is a long time to spend in jail (which he definitely deserves) and I think it is right for it to be reviewed. I'm not saying he should be released, I cant know whether he has changed, whether he is a threat etc. that is for the parol board to decide.
I think this may well be an issue on which we fundamentally disagree, but I just dont like the talk of letting anyone rot in jail.
Imagine it were your father or son who he killed?
If I was I'm sure I would feel differently, but that's exactly why we have a justice system and dont just let the families of murder victims exact their own revenge.
they always resort to the madness aliby the flipping cowards look at the guy in austria that kept his daughter locked up he wasted no time saying he was mentally ill