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Should Scotland support England?

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
edited January 2023 in General Chat
Just wondering - as Scotland are obviously not involved in the World Cup again <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> this time round, should the Scots support England? As a Scottish lass myself I have my own opinions <IMG SRC="tongue.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> and if I was really honest I'd admit that any team playing AGAINST England gets my vote. In no way does this represent a prejudice against the English (well, actually I suppose it does, although what I mean is that I bear no specific hatred at all towards English people), and I know it's probably the stance taken by virtually all Scots.

In reverse, I'm sure that us Scots would have the support of the English when it comes about that we're the only British team in the World Cup <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> .

What do you all think?
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No, no a million times NO !!!!!!!

    We have always had a rivalry with the English, dating back hundreds of years, and when it comes to sport, the English do tend to look down their noses at us, and go on and on about 1966 and all that tripe.

    Plus whenever Scotland do well at anything (i.e curling ), it is seen as a BRITISH success, yet when Rangers or Celtic fuck up in Europe (as they invariably do) then they just laugh at us.

    And to be honest, I dont think the English could give a toss whether we back them or not !!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I agree totally....just hoping to spark up some kind of patriotism debate.... <IMG SRC="tongue.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    We don't want your support thank you we have plenty <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> and to be fair your support hasn't been much use to scotland has it <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by SconeBeast:
    <STRONG>In reverse, I'm sure that us Scots would have the support of the English when it comes about that we're the only British team in the World Cup <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> .
    </STRONG>

    like hell you do <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> your treated more with sympathy than support
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by eb:
    [QB]We don't want your support thank you we have plenty <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> QB]

    Quite - and it's proportion that should be remembered. 5 million Scots (there are more people in London, for heaven's sake) and almost ten times as many English. We do damn well to get a team together, least of all one which can beat England at Wembley in the World Cup qualifiers....

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by SconeBeast:
    <STRONG>

    Quite - and it's proportion that should be remembered. 5 million Scots (there are more people in London, for heaven's sake) and almost ten times as many English. We do damn well to get a team together, least of all one which can beat England at Wembley in the World Cup qualifiers....

    <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"></STRONG>

    shame we qualified anyway really <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> i agree i'm not having a gig at the scotland team, we are sympathetic towards you lot, you hate us, but we just feel sorry for you !
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ****SOBS*****

    My saltire shall be hanging proudly.

    And no, we don't hate you exactly....it's more of a burning resentment..... <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    P.S. Interestingly, I think this topic has a lot to do with "The concept of honour" in the Politics forum......no?

    Maybe this topic should be moved there for REAL debate....who's game.....?

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think its healthy to have rivals, its all part of the beautiful game, everybody seems to hate the english, but we like it that way, we have an underlying us against the world sentiment anyway - our rivals are the germans first and foremost, but to be honest i love to see you get beat, i do however feel it would of been nice to see you and the welsh qualify as i imagine you'd like to see us qualify if you do so, it makes for a better tournement for the both of us, an added sub agenda within the bigger picture, especially for you, as you'll never win it, but if we are there then you have the chance to do better than us ? euro 96 was a classic example that match fired up both countries and made the tournament a better one <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ah, I remember that match in 96...I was working in Littlewoods selling old women tights.....the boss, of course, was watching the match upstairs and would shout at us if we so much as peeked round the door. Horrible day.

    Yes, I agree about the rivals thing. I think I'd rather have you guys around with the opportunity of thrashing your pants off (no literal connotation intended) rather than wish-washing around the world cup with no match particularly meaning anything other than the forwarding of our side in the tournament. Not that it wouldn't be grand to win, but the victory would be even greater if we were to beat England in the final (******dreams******).

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by SconeBeast:
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    to beat England in the final (******dreams******).

    </STRONG>

    indeed
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Wales Didn't qualify either did they?

    So why didn't anyone ask the Welsh to support the English? I know it was a Scottish MP who said it but it all seems a bit silly to me.

    It would be like asking france to support the English surely.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    scotland should support..............canada <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by byny:
    <STRONG>Wales Didn't qualify either did they?

    So why didn't anyone ask the Welsh to support the English? I know it was a Scottish MP who said it but it all seems a bit silly to me.

    It would be like asking france to support the English surely.</STRONG>

    I know what you're getting at, but although I recognise that there's a strong Welsh patriotic sentiment, I think the Scottish one (specifically the Scottish anti-English one) is stronger. Wales hasn't been an independent nation for......(oh dear, distinct lack of historical knowledge)...dunno how long - ages, anyway. Scotland's independence was only removed 300 years ago - relatively recently.

    What I'm saying is that the Scots are far less likely than the Welsh to support any English-against-the-world endeavours.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Scotland are the enemy,I don't expect you (the Scots)to support us (the English) and do not want you to support us I enjoy it when the Scots lose and as they regularly do my life is made better
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Toadborg:
    <STRONG>Scotland are the enemy,I don't expect you (the Scots)to support us (the English) and do not want you to support us I enjoy it when the Scots lose and as they regularly do my life is made better</STRONG>

    Just as well we were only put on this planet for your amusement then. Why else do you think bagpipes were invented? <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Not the nation as a whole you understand...

    Just your rubbish footie team <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by SconeBeast:
    <STRONG>

    I know what you're getting at, but although I recognise that there's a strong Welsh patriotic sentiment, I think the Scottish one (specifically the Scottish anti-English one) is stronger.

    What I'm saying is that the Scots are far less likely than the Welsh to support any English-against-the-world endeavours.</STRONG>

    i disagree, i'd say the scots, welsh and irish all hate us with equal venom and ironically the germans less so <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by eb:
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    i disagree, i'd say the scots, welsh and irish all hate us with equal venom and ironically the germans less so <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"></STRONG>

    I think the Germans secretly know how twisted and fascist their cause was though....they can't hate you cos they know you were right.

    Conversely, the English haven't yet realised how arrogant and fascist they were being during the independence wars and highland clearances....and are therefore still hated by the celtic contingent they aimed to replace with English seed <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> .

    And did they get rid of us? Did they heck <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> .
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by SconeBeast:
    <STRONG>

    I think the Germans secretly know how twisted and fascist their cause was though....they can't hate you cos they know you were right.</STRONG>

    If you speak to almost any German person they wil admit they were wrong. Germans as a whole are still very apolofetic about WWII. And Hitler wasn't even a German, just an Austrian who managed to manipulate a hell of a lot of people, the problem is the Germans follow rules to well, they didn't think to question what he said or told them to do.

    Anyway, back to the subject, I don't expect the Scots to support us, but if the roles were reversed I would support the Scots, or the Welsh, or the Irish, against the world.

    London first,
    South East second,
    England third,
    Britain fourth.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Just posted to for my 2 pence worth. I don't hate the Scots, like Eb said its just healthy rivaly. I would like to have seen them at the World Cup but then again i would like seem them get beat by Senegal too <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I realise that this thread has been untouched for a week, but it intrigued me. I am Scottish, through and through, and am patriotic to the core.

    However, and lets me honest here, our team sucks. If we sent 11 sheep out onto the field they could probably do better. However i would say that although we are not involved in the World Cup, and our closest neighbout (England) are, it is almost impossible to get us to support you.

    It's not because we are racist - apart from a small bigoted minority - but that we know that the minute you win something, you will gloat about it FOREVER. And don't say it's not true because i have four digits for you - 1 9 6 6. 36 years later we still hear about it!!!! AAAAAGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH.

    And i know it's the media who are the culprits for keeping it going. I happen to think the present England side are pretty shit hot, and like watching them play. However, because i will be working in a VERY SCOTTISH pub over the summer, i will probably opt to support France in order to keep the peace. (Also they may well win, something which as a Scot i am unfamiliar with.....)

    Let the debate continue.....
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    As a proud Scot we all know that all of scotland (Wales and NI) will be supporting Nigera, Argentina and Sweden in the world cup.

    If E****nd make it through to the last 16 then we will support the next side etc

    Why - your commentators all drive us up the wall
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by PERTH PAUL:
    <STRONG>As a proud Scot we all know that all of scotland (Wales and NI) will be supporting Nigera, Argentina and Sweden in the world cup.

    If E****nd make it through to the last 16 then we will support the next side etc

    Why - your commentators all drive us up the wall</STRONG>

    <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    <img src="http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/mica/MiscDogrun.gif&quot; alt="image">
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    All you scottish fellas and girlies listen up. there is another country playing in the world cup next year that is within a few miles of your coast.... Ireland. support us, if yeh don't want to support england. (cant blame yeh) i remember being in the local watching 1998 first game scotland v brazil. every last person there was shouting for scotland.. there yeh go
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    deffinitely not. scotland are a better country than england 2 get dragged into supportin them. in the end the scots would be bettraying their herridage and traditions if they supported england. england are always walkin over scotland. the scots should stick up 2 them, in the end the best country will win and that's deffinitely Scotland. im WELSH and i'd rather put a gun 2 my head than support england. nobody could ever make me betray my country. and by the way, nobody could ever hate england more than Wales does. english people are fucking stuck up twats who still keep going on about the 1966 win. they say that we're still going on about the grand slam win, and look at them still living in the past. wankers. they should all be shot. CYMRU AM BYTH!!! :love:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Dude. Thread. Dead.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jeez, three years old...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Firstly, this thread was started when I was still at School and I am now nearing my 3rd year of uni. Start a new one if you so wish as half the people on here don't even use TheSite anymore.

    Secondly as a proud Scot, I resent the fact that if I supported our closest neighbours I would be betraying my heritage!?!

    How do the English walk all over you?

    We are all British, it really gets on my tits when I hear my fellow Scots saying "I will support whoever is playing England", narrowmindness is all it is. Most of them don't even know the history between England and Scotland.

    William Wallace this, Battle of Culloden this! It is all in the ancient past! Get over with it!!!!

    [/rant]

    CYMRU AM BYTH - It is good that you are proud of your country but hating another for what happened many many years ago is verging on sad!
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