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Was watching the news just there when 25 or so Rangers fans were kicking a car in with a woman on her own inside. She said that no Rangers fans came to make sure she was OK, and I'm sick to say that she referred to them as "the Scots", when in fact a large proportion of the Scottish population have been ashamed of them for years and would rather a bunch of racist Russians won a football match more than Rangers.
Looking at the videos on YouTube, I'd say it's certainly more than a couple of hundred involved in all this - at least a thousand, and if you include bigoted chanting and incitement then you can multiply that number by tens.
Embarrased that a lot of southerners are gonna think Scottish people and Scottish football fans are like this, the irony being the efforts Rangers fans go to distance themselves from being Scottish (Rule Brittania flag waving etc.).
Todays log so far has been more of the same
The worst thing that ever happened was this final being in Manchester. When Man United and Chelsea got into the final of the CL there was talk of moving the final back to Britain. In Rangers case, the best thing to do would have been to move the final AWAY from Britain, preferably to Azerbaijan or somewhere.
Having it Manchester meant that half the neds in Glasgow were always going to go down. Half of them probably don't even go to Ibrox, but just went down to Manchester as tag-alongs for a big day out on the buckie.
If the final had been anywhere but this country, only the dedicated supporters would have bothered their arse going, and there wouldn't have been any trouble (Rangers other away ties have been totally trouble free AFAIK).
Pretty disastrous, but entirely predictable.
i had planned to go down but couldnt get time off work, thank fuck i didn't was ashamed at work today and my celtic supporting work mate called the fans morons and i had too agree with him, yes it was a minority and yes the screens failing probably accelarated the trouble but as another poster said the worst thing was the final being played in manchester where it was only a drive down there from glasgow from these "fans"
Can see a ban coming for us unfortunately
Why would they do that? 100,000 fans have been drinking all day, and then the screen breaks. It's inevitable that it'll kick off. Not that that excuses any of the actions of this twats. It should've been treated like a proper event. They knew how many people were going to come down, and allowing them to drink all day in the public square was a recipe for disaster, even if the vast majority of fans were good natured. This is exactly the reason that most big matches in the Premiership are played earlier in the day.
I heard it was Bri-namite...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNucU7c8faI
And I can't stress enough how welcoming the locals were. From people en mass letting Rangers fans into their homes to watch the game with them to pensioners in the streets with Union Flags and banners to cheer us on. The overwhelming majority remember Manchester for the right reasons and had a great time.
Will Scottish folk in general get a bad name from this? I reckon so.
I've already semi-stereotyped every Glasweigan now.
It's not the same for every team. Let's see if the same stuff happens in Russia with the CL final between two ENGLISH clubs. One of them has to lose.
That's awful :no:
The engineers on the scene were trying to resolve the technical glitch, but apparently whilst doing so, scumbags pelted beer cans and bottles at the screen in frustration!
As a consequence the engineers (under a hail of metal and glass) quite rightly, refused to work on it any further through fear of safety! Maybe given the chance without the aggravation, the engineers could of done the job properly without the worry of being hurt, and thus sorting the issue with the screen out.
How about Glasgow council pay for the sordid mess lest on the streets of Manchester as some form of apology. It's an idea put forward in the local press.
Change "Glasgow council" to "Rangers Football Club" and you've got it spot on.
I'll be fucked if my taxes are going to clean up after Rangers fans who don't know how to behave.
The amount of money generated would be enough to pay for the costs with ample left over.
Disgraceful scenes but predictable nonetheless.
Granted. £25 million was the quoted figure I think.
I'm livid that I and United fans from Manchester, and of course others wanting to soak up the atmosphere, cannot watch the Champions league final (I'd wager in a far more civilised manner) in the gardens next week. Local fans and the people of Manchester have been punished for another cities loutish thuggery.
So, thanks a bunch Rangers, you've gone and ruined it for everyone else! All for a shite cup that you were never going to win anyway. Cheers! :rolleyes:
A stupid thing to do... but then the very first thing the engineer said over the mic when he came on stage was "SHUT UP".
Still, 199,800 people went to Manchester and had a fantastic time, pumped tens of millions of pounds into the local economy in two days and mixed with the folk in the city for a massive party. It's the biggest travelling support in the history of football by a mile and certain people so predictably want to focus on the negative.
I know, what do they do with police training nowdays? You never run from a mob - it leaves your back exposed.
Who'd have thought two simple words could have caused such carnage!
The behaviour of the Rangers fans caused him to tell them to shut up. Their frustrations were understandable (bottle throwing not so), but if somebody was throwing things at you when you're trying to sort it out then I'd defy you not to react.
So they should be thankful then?
I'm sure if it was Celtic fans that did this then you'd be telling us all to focus on the positives!
I'm glad the Rangers fans who happen to be human are disgusted and ashamed at the hooliganism.
It was much more than minor skirmishes and it was more than 200 people involved (including incitement, bigoted chanting etc), that much is for sure. Interesting to see Martin Bain saying those involved didn't normally associate themselves with Rangers, yet then went on to say they're still to identify them? For all he knows they could be season ticket holders in the Copland Road, next he'll be telling us it was Celtic and Aberdeen fans dressed up as Rangers fans.
Look at the amount of people from Manchester who've come out and condemned the downright thuggery of the Rangers support.
I wouldn't worry about them too much. The way they behave in such situations isn't much better than the yobs to be honest. Anybody close enough to a swinging baton is going to come away with a cracked head, regardless of whether or not they're causing trouble.
They love it anyway.
whew, thank God a return to normality. this is the first riot I've heard of where the rioters were blamed rather than the police. I was getting worried...
For what it's worth, Glasgow ain't all that bad
Ditto!
I'm sure it aint, but unfortunatley for you and other civil glasgwegians I'd say the reputation of glasgow has well and truley been tarnished. Nationally. Internationally! :no: Shame.
I knew there'd be trouble when the fans started arriving. Screen failure or not, I'd say Rangers getting beat would be enough of catalyst for violence. They all looked like convicts with knifes in they're back pockets, drinking at 8am and already pissed. Who else could really get the time off work though? Jobless scroungers, thats who, with nothing else better to do.
I'm making sweeping genralisations, I know. I'm just really peeved I cant watch the final.
Agreed. It certainly hasn't done the UK's chances of hosting the World Cup any good either.
Absolutely.
Heres an account I've found a couple of other forums which might be of interest: