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Rangers / Celtic 1st divison

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
edited January 2023 in General Chat
The nationwide league has announced it is to invite Rangers and Celtic into the nationwide league, with immdeiate effect <IMG SRC="eek.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

So come august, it looks like they'll be joining us <IMG SRC="eek.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

As this news has just broken, i haven't had time to gather my thoughts, i'll be back to share them <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

Its a good thing from my perspective <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/football/newsid_1982000/1982067.stm

    I'm pleased, purely from a selfish point of view because

    a) I look forward to my trips to Glasgow, it will be an experience to travel to such famous places

    b) The extra revenue created for the nationwide will make a massive difference to my club

    c) If Cardiff can play in our leagues, then I see no reason why Rangers and Celtic can not.

    d) It could in the long term make the Scottish leagues a more enjoyable place for the natives, it seems the clubs will now be on an even footing and with shrewd managment it could be built up into a better spectacle.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I personally think it shouldn't happen. The people at the top of football are ruining football completely. Yes Divsion One would be a better league but they are SCOTTISH playing in the ENGLISH leagues. Wish that clubs sticked to their own countries. If the Glasgow two move down here it will put the last nail into Scottish footballs coffin.

    If this was allowed to happen other clubs would do the same (Benfica moving to La Liga) (Ajax moving to the bundesliga) it would totally ruin the game. European cups were made so clubs of different nations could play each other and that's how it should stay!!

    If Rangers and Celtic move to play in Div 1 it would be the death of football as we know it.

    Football league are due to have a meeting about this on thursday with all member clubs attending and voting on friday. I hope they give the idea a resounding vote of no confidence!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    As far as I'm concerned they're as welcome as the fucking plage. The last thing English football needs is two moronic, sectarian, racist bigot clubs. Can you imagin Celtic vs Chelsea, or Millwall???!!!
    They are both as bad as each other, and if they do join the First Division I do hope they get slaughtered by just about everyone, and end up going down to the Conference. <IMG SRC="mad.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Heard that last night on the Beeb, it's a mixed blessing. I imagine at least one of the two clubs will be up in the premiership by 2003/4 season, which would add a nice flavour to it.

    The effect on the scottish league, however, I can't see as being too good. The only two teams worth watching, the only two teams that bring in any substantial TV money. Surely it will destroy the Scottish League?

    As for setting a precedent...once you start getting teams crossing borders, why not just start a European league, as the main event, instead of the time consuming Champions League.

    Or no?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    How about a view from someone that actually stays in the country <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    Scottish football was dead a long time ago. It died the minute that money was found to be more important than the game itself. This was the reason as into why Celtic and Rangers became the only 2 clubs to really get any success, as the other teams cant find the money needed to stay up with the big teams. Motherwell has serious financial difficulties and paid off most of the players it employed with many other teams on the same boat.

    The story about how this began........The premier league teams were wanting to do a TV deal were there games would be televised thus making the teams money. Rangers and Celtic pulled out at the last moment which then resulted in the rest dropping them and continuing on with the original plans. This is why Rangers and Celtic are wanting to join.
    As far as I'm concerned they're as welcome as the fucking plage. The last thing English football needs is two moronic, sectarian, racist bigot clubs. Can you imagin Celtic vs Chelsea, or Millwall???!!!
    They are both as bad as each other, and if they do join the First Division I do hope they get slaughtered by just about everyone, and end up going down to the Conference.

    Yeah nice view matey, the fact that people like you which blame the clubs helps in giving football a bad name. Point your blame at the supports, not the clubs! Both clubs do whatever they can to fight against the problems which people like you seem to link with them.

    Are you also telling me that Rangers and Celtic are the only clubs that have these problems in the WHOLE of Britain, wake up and smell the coffee pal!! There are many other clubs in Britain that have the same problem, just because TV doesnt show it doesnt mean that is doesnt happen!

    Anywho, am interested to see what happens if it does do ahead. I think it would be a good idea <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    P.S I dont really follow football that much before anyone starts accusing me that I am a rangers or celtic fan <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    (edited:cos I forgot to proof read!)

    [ 12-05-2002: Message edited by: wuckFit ]
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's not going to happen...

    Um, guys, it seems not...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Maca:
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    If Rangers and Celtic move to play in Div 1 it would be the death of football as we know it.

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    Football is in intensive care already, when you look at the current situation it makes complete sense.

    The SFA have voted Rangers and Celtic out of their league, mainly because of their greed and the fact they want no part of tv deals for Scottish football, rendering the deal for the rest basically worthless. As things stand Rangers and Celtic may not play anywhere next season.

    Meanwhile in the Nationwide up to twenty clubs may go out of buisness by the start of next season, their is no TV deal, nationwide games won't be televised next year as things stand.

    SOMETHING RADICAL IS CALLED FOR

    Its not ideal, everyone knows that, but the facts are the Scottish league is holding Rangers and Celtic back from improving and growing, Rangers and Celtic are now holding the Scottish league back through their domination, surely if teams like Motherwell have a geniuine chance of winning things it will generate fans through the gate, multiplyed across the league and suddenly its a far more attractive propostion for the fans, a competitve spectacle is of far more value that the utter crap they currently churn out <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    The addition of Rangers and Celtic would be worth millions to all the clubs in the nationwide, the TV deal would increase dramatically, even the guarenteed full house twice a season would help.

    Welsh teams play in our league, so the 'teams crossing into another country to play' argument doesn't wash with me, football has changed so much over the last ten years things are going to have to give, people can no longer rattle on about how things used to be, or how things should be, if things stay as they are Football will continue dow the slippery slope to oblivion, and thats just not good enough.

    In two or three years it look inevitable the third division and conference will merge and two regional leagues will be developed from that, its bad, but neccessary, we need to think of survival for our clubs, not how pretty and neat it all looks
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Surely i can't be the only one to think that the idea of an SPL channel was ridiculous in the first place? they can't possibly have expected it to make a profit, i think that premiership plus (the premiership PPV channel) only works because the premiership has more than 2 big teams, unlike the SPL. Even still, surely fans would rather go to a game than pay nearly the same price to watch it on tv? i think the move would be good for Rangers and Celtic as it would bring them new challenges, but whether or not the English teams will vote for it is another matter. As for the matter of them being a Scottish team in English football, they are still gonna be a Scottish team (as far as they can be called with so many foreign players! <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">), they are still going to be Scottish in origin, essesentially all that matters.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Just a thought, but the season they do come down to England will be the season when everyother Div 1 club can forget promotion to the Premier League...

    Unless there is a time related ban on them being promoted...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent:
    <STRONG>Just a thought, but the season they do come down to England will be the season when everyother Div 1 club can forget promotion to the Premier League...

    Unless there is a time related ban on them being promoted...</STRONG>


    Yes that would be a problem, Celtic would certainly walk it, I'm not convinced about Rangers though
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Reasons against -

    1. Rangers and Celtic are SCOTTISH clubs. To play in England would render irrelevant all future Scottish club competitions. Cardiff, Swansea and Wrexham only play in England because they are the only professional clubs in Wales.

    2. As has been said, it could set a dangerous precedent. The big 3 in Portugal (Benfica, Sporting, Porto) could decide to play in La Liga, and Ajax, PSV and Feyenoord in Germany.

    3. It would be extremely unfair to all the clubs in the Football League who have worked so hard to get where they are, to have two new blow-ins parachuted in above them.

    4. Scottish football finds it hard enough as it is to find money. This would make it even harder - interest and investment in Scottish football would hit a terrible low.

    It is just another example of the money-men running football. This proposal has more to do with money than anything else and is in the interests of no-one but the clubs involved.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Um, guys, it seems not...
    good, I haven't got a very good argument I just don't think they should......

    It would mean I assume that 2 more English teams would leave the League and they would get promoted quickly so I can't see any financial benefit for the League.....
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I just remembered today, doesn't any team in the Scottish Leagues have to give 2 years notice before resigning from the league?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    From what I understand they are going to be pushed before they jump, they want their own TV deal, but the rest of the SPL won't allow it and have threatened to exclude them unless they back down.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    doesn't any team in the Scottish Leagues have to give 2 years notice before resigning from the league?
    yep, so even if it goes through theres a 2 year wait by which time the situation could be a lot different.....
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    They don't need to resign though, they've virtually been booted out.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    They don't need to resign though, they've virtually been booted out.

    The other 10 clubs are to, (but haven't yet), quit the SPL. So this would mean the other 10 clubs would have to form a new league, with Celtic and Rangers being the only two clubs left in the SPL.
    Cardiff, Swansea and Wrexham only play in England because they are the only professional clubs in Wales.

    So referring to my earlier point, Celtic and Rangers would literally be in a league of their own, with no hope of the other clubs accepting them into their new league, so Celtic and Rangers would be the only two teams left to play each other, over and over again for two years.

    Also a point which you will proably use to argue against me, is that Celtic and Rangers were said to be interested in joining the Premier League. This was met with quite a bit of opposition from first division clubs, who play to enter the Premier League every season.

    So why should Celtic and Rangers be given a free ride into it?

    Well basically because if they were to play in he first devision, they would most probably dominate it, (no offence to those who support first devision teams, but hey, it's true), thus recreating the scenario in the current SPL league, and meaning either Celtic or Rangers would be premoted to the Premier League, which would deprive any top first devision club of this chance.

    Also what's wrong with intermixed leagues? What about the Champions League etc? I don't think there would be much complaint if your club managed to qualify for that...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Celtic would get promoted at the first time of asking, not sure about Rangers <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    However, the financial boost, all be it for one season, would make a massive difference to first division clubs, lets not forget at present nationwide football won't be on television in any form next year, Rangers and Celtic may be the catalyst for maybe SKY or even the BBC to jump in and sign up for at least a year <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> I'm willing to scarifice promotion for that <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    It may be the case, Rangers and Celtic are forced to go through the play off's, with say 3rd and 4th getting automatic promotion, I don't care, still having a team to watch this time next year is my concern.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Rangers and Celtic may be the catalyst for maybe SKY or even the BBC to jump in and sign up for at least a year

    I'd put my bet on the BBC, they seem to have a strange tendency for showing as many Rangers games as they can...

    Bastards <IMG SRC="tongue.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What is actually being suggested in terms of numbers, I assume it would stay at 72 which means the promotion/relegation system would have to change for a season or 2 and 2 English teams would have be relegated out of the league......? <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Toadborg:
    <STRONG>What is actually being suggested in terms of numbers, I assume it would stay at 72 which means the promotion/relegation system would have to change for a season or 2 and 2 English teams would have be relegated out of the league......? <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"></STRONG>



    As far as I'm aware, it would just be two extra teams. But major structure changes are coming anyway.

    I know next season two will drop from the third, with a play off system been introduced in the conference for the extra promotion spot.

    Plans are also in the pipe line for the Premiership to lose another two clubs, its basically all gearing up for the Phoneix league system.

    Its also planned that the third and conference will merge and a northern and southen league will be created.

    Basically, things are going to change alot over the next five years, we'd be better off introducing Rangers and Celtic now rather than afterwards, football is entering a very dark age <IMG SRC="frown.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i may have heard wrong, but did the premiership not say that they would not accept rangers and celtic even if they did qualify for promotion? <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    [ 17-05-2002: Message edited by: Lorna ]
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