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Man U vs Arsenal

BillieTheBotBillieTheBot Posts: 8,723 Bot
edited January 2023 in General Chat
Well like Ferguson said it's the crunch tonight! Watching the game with a few mates down the pub, should be a good one. As a matter of fact I'm taking tomorrow off as I predict a heavy session whatever the outcome <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
Funny to see Man U seems to be cracking under the pressure. First Ferguson has a tantrum about Veron, then Keane turns on his team-mates. Arsenal on the other hand seem very confident, but they could crash down to earth with a bang if they keep being so cocky.

Any predictions for tonight? I might put some money on a 1-1 draw, don't ask me why.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Okay, I have two reasons for wanting a United win tonight.

    One is obvious <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    The second is because it would be good for the game. The whole title would come down to the last game, with both teams needing to win...Imagine the tension on Sunday if Arsenal are 1-1 with Everton and United are winning and only 2 minutes to go....

    Surely that would be better than it all being over tonight...

    Also, I am finding it funny that MU are being written off with many in the media suggesting that this is the end of the road for them. I have a feeling that the same thing was said in 1998 - the last time United failed to win the title.

    What really makes me laugh is that the media have been saying how crap United have been this season and yet the title is still going down to the final two games and they <STRONG>can</STRONG> still win it. Imagine if they hadn't had that bad run before Xmas...

    As for Keane having a go, he actually did it last year too. Who won the title then?

    [ 08-05-2002: Message edited by: Man Of Kent ]
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I agree a victory for Man U would make the last day of the season one to remember! Plus Arsenal are getting very arrogant very quickly.
    It is not wise to rule out Man U until it's all over. They should ask Bayer Munich <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    1-1 I think, it would be interesting on the last day if ManU won but I would rather it was over as quickly as possible, I will have a fit if ManU win it AGAIN, its getting really boring now.....
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't see that tonights result has that much relevance, if Arsenal lose they'll win on sunday at home to Everton anyway, the title is their's regardless, just for the record i think Man U will probably stuff Arsenal tonight <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    But if they don't and Liverpool sneak into second that would be amusing, as would seeing Arsenal win it at Old Trafford, but i can't see ie <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I want Arsenal to win tonight basically just to shut up this annoyin Man U fan at work, no but seriously, if they lose tonight, u just know that everton will probably perform a miracle and win (they do that just to annoy me),

    yer... wat was my point.. oh yer come on arsenal (1 - 0)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Aladdin:
    <STRONG>I agree a victory for Man U would make the last day of the season one to remember! Plus Arsenal are getting very arrogant very quickly.
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    Why did you say Arsenal are arrogant? Certainly not as much as Man U are <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    And we did it again <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> 1 - 0
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Nice Kick:
    <STRONG>Why did you say Arsenal are arrogant? Certainly not as much as Man U are <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    And we did it again <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> 1 - 0</STRONG>

    Yes, Arsenal <STRONG>are</STRONG> arrogant. United's attitude comes from winning consistently over the past ten years. Arsenal haven't won anything for three years - one swallow doesn't make a summer.

    It's worth noting that the 'magnificent' Arsenal failed miserably in Europe again...

    I <STRONG>would</STRONG> like to congratulate them on the Double though. The table doesn't lie and they have performed well over the past 20-odd games...bet they are pleased that United had that crap run before Xmas.

    Not sure if they are the best team this year though, inspite of the double. I think that goes to Liverpool for such an improvement on the past few years. I think I'm more worried about them than Arsenal for next season. Especially as Arsenal only win anything in a World Cup year... <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What the fuck, how can you first say that Arsenal are arrogant because they haven't won anything and then say Liverpool are better when they haven't won anything? <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    Granted the Scouse are better then ManU but thats life.

    ManU were an absolute shambles last night, they deserved to lose + your European form hasn't exactly been spectacular has it?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Toadborg:
    <STRONG>What the fuck, how can you first say that Arsenal are arrogant because they haven't won anything and then say Liverpool are better when they haven't won anything? <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"></STRONG>

    I've obviously given you too much credit Toady, I thought you could read <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    I <STRONG>said</STRONG> that Arsenal are arrogant because their form over the past few years isn't comparable with that of the United team, yet they are behaving as if they are by far the best team in the country. I think that the fact that United have pushed them to that last two games even though they had a really bad run beofre Xmas, show this to be a lie. Look at United's results since the new year - also Championship form...

    I also agreed that United show arrogance. But quantified this by suggesting that United's comes from winning <STRONG>consistently</STRONG> over the past ten years rather than the past ten <STRONG>months</STRONG>. I then went on to add that I actually believe that Liverpool were the better team this season - without mention of arrogance becuase they have shown none - based on their performance over that past few years compared to this.

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    ManU were an absolute shambles last night, they deserved to lose</STRONG>

    'Absolute Shambles' is a bit strong don't you think? There aren't many teams who have had Arsenal on the back foot as much as we did in the first half, or who have restricted them to a single shot in the half. And <STRONG>no</STRONG> team has had a clean sheet against them.

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    + your European form hasn't exactly been spectacular has it?</STRONG>

    Semi-finalists? I can name 91 english league clubs who can only wish to get that far.

    Let's look at what have United achieved in Europe in the past five years...

    Winners once, semi-finalists twice, 1/4 finals twice and ALL in the Champions League.

    Over the same period I can only think of two teams who have done better - Real Madrid and Bayern Munich

    The wonderful Arsenal? Do you need a comparison there? I mean even Liverpool got to the 1/4 finals on their first attempt, something Arsenal have yet to do. In their last 11 away games in Europe, Arsenal have lost 9.

    Like I said, I am *coughs* happy *coughs* to congratulate Arsenal on their double, but they really shouldn't start crowing about how wonderful they are.

    I remember the same things being said in '98 and look what happened the following year...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    in the past five years
    this is where the confusion lies, you are stuck in the past <IMG SRC="tongue.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> I only care about what has happened this season....

    ManU were crap last night, Arsenal are balatantly batter than Liverpool because they have won the league, the winner of the league is the best team full stop.

    Also Arsenal will probably win the leagues by at least 7 points, a hefty victory by anyones standards....
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Toadborg:
    <STRONG>you are stuck in the past</STRONG>

    I'm old, it comes with the job <IMG SRC="tongue.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    <STRONG>
    Arsenal are balatantly batter than Liverpool because they have won the league, the winner of the league is the best team full stop.</STRONG>

    If only football was that straight forward...

    Luck plays a huge part in every season (eg
    What if Houlier hadn't had his heart attack) so I disagree, it's not always the best team that wins, just the one who got the most points. I would say that about United too...were they the best team in Europe when they won the Champions league? Or did lady luck smile on them a little...

    You take the best eleven from Arsenal/Liverpool and I would bet on Liverpool every time.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If only football was that straight forward...
    It is that simple actually, you have 38 games to show who is best so the luck inevitably evens out over the season, Arsenal beat Liverpool in the League and in individual matches, they are 7 points ahead, how can you say they are better when all the facts go against you?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Man Utd have a much better 'best' 11, however the fact they chose to rest them in favour of the bigger carrott thats the European cup means they lost out <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> Their own fault, but when you look at the facts and team selections of the season it boils down to that <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    have a much better 'best' 11
    no they don't, there defence is shit, Pires is better then Giggs, henry is better then Nistlerooy, Viera is better than Keane and Bergkamp is better than Forlan.....
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Even though i am an avid arsenal supporter, i have to admit that yes, Man U did play better on the night and the probably deserved to win.

    But, oh well Arsenal won, so lets all have a big BOO HOO to all of the Man U fans. Im so sorry they lost <IMG SRC="frown.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Man U did play better on the night and the probably deserved to win.
    was I watching a different game, ManU were OK in the 1st half without creating any clear chances but were an absolute mess in the 2nd, they hardly touvhed the ball!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    yes, i probably didnt explain it very well but Man U did have more touches on the ball than Arsenal, and i have to agree with you that Man U were worse in the 2nd half, but they did play better than arsenal in the 1st at least...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Toadborg:
    <STRONG>no they don't, there defence is shit, Pires is better then Giggs, henry is better then Nistlerooy, Viera is better than Keane and Bergkamp is better than Forlan.....</STRONG>

    Firstly Keane is far better than Viera, I don't even consider that a contest, Keane is a much better player to have in the side and around the club.

    Secondly and more debatable I think Van Nistlerooy is a better player than Henry, its been his first season in English football after a long lay off through injury, he has also been rested breaking up his match practice which is very important for a striker. Next season we will see his true self and i believe he'll prove himself better than Henry.

    I agree Pires is better than Giggs, but not by much, its very close.

    Beckham and Scholes complete the best midfield in Europe, never mind England, oh and Veron widely regarded as one of the best players in the world for back-up, but as were looking at 11 v 11 we'll leave it.

    Solskjaer is a class above Wiltord, Bergkamp is good, but when you compare his goals tally with that of Solskjaer its no contest.

    Barthez and Seaman are similar, i wouldn't say either is miles ahead of the other.

    So, defence, i grant you Arsenal this season have been the better defensive side, clearly selling Stam cost Fergie dear. To say Man U's defence is shit is crazy, a long injury to Wes Brown robbed them of perhaps their first choice central defender and their second choice Johnsen went the same way, so baring that in mind its starting to become an unfair contest. G Neville is the best right back in the country, Silvestre is under rated in my opinion, the fact he plays for the worlds best international side backs that up. Blanc is a good player but past his sell be date, much the same as Keown and Dixon <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    But the biggest factor is the ability of a full strength /manchester United side to pull together and grind out results, this season the boat was rocked once too often through Ferguson's chopping and changing, a few key injuries didn't help and all in all things went arse over tit.

    Arsenal this season performed somehwere near their best throughout and full credit for that, but this season we saw a half strength Manchester United side far too often and one that as a result often performed below its potential and as a result Arsenal swept the board <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> Which I for one am pleased about, but I think we should all look at this season from a distance and highlight the reasons for what happened.

    In the summer i'd expect Ferguson will go out and pay big money for a central defender and for a big name striker, don't be suprised if they have it won in mid-april again next time around, i hope not, but last time Arsenal did the double I think we all know what happened next time around, they've got motovation back now <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Now you just <STRONG>knew</STRONG> I would take exception to the squad comparison, so let take this one at a time.

    <STRONG>there</STRONG>[sic]<STRONG> defence is shit</STRONG>

    No question that United's defence suffered this year, and is probably the reason they lose the title. I could mention the injuries (notably Brown and Johnson) but that would detract from the poor performance of Blanc.

    Having said that, if Arsenal had lost both Campbell and Adams for most of the season, I'm sure they would have suffered.

    If United are going to invest in the summer, this is where the moeny needs to go.

    <STRONG>Pires is better then Giggs</STRONG>

    Are you sure? Did you see the Deportivo games? Who do the oponents fear more?

    Pires has had a good year, admitedly, but lets see him do it consistently over two/three years first.

    <STRONG>henry is better then Nistlerooy</STRONG>

    You said before that I lived in the past and the performaces of this season are what count (as I suspect you are thinking the same thing about my last comment) so lets apply that rule here.

    Who is top League scorer at the moment?

    <STRONG>Viera is better than Keane</STRONG>

    Exsqueeze me? Are you serious or have you been drinking? How Roy Keane hasn't won European Footballer of the year I'll never know. Not only is he United's engine but he also runs his national side.

    I'd partner Vieira with Keane, but he's not yet fit to fill his boots. He has the potential though...

    <STRONG>and Bergkamp is better than Forlan.....</STRONG>

    Hardly a fair comparison is it? Not even the same sort of player and one has only been incountry for half a season.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I knew that would get you worked up <IMG SRC="tongue.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
    is the ability of a full strength /manchester United side to pull together and grind out results
    Bollocks, 3 games they really needed to sort it out, against Leverkausen, against Arsenal on Wednesday and against Boro in the cup and they just rolled over every time....
    Who is top League scorer at the moment?
    erm isn't it Hasselbaink? <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    In fact it's equal between Hasselbaink and Nistlerooy on 23 and then Henry is on 22, if you take into account the number of goals scored by the team then Henry has done better <IMG SRC="tongue.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Bollocks, 3 games they really needed to sort it out, against Leverkausen, against Arsenal on Wednesday and against Boro in the cup and they just rolled over every time....

    First up they never lost to Leverkusen, its was only 'away goals' which cost them dearly and this is in a European Cup semi final, I don't recall seeing Arsenal <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    Against Boro he chose a reserve side, i don't see that can be used as an example and backs up my argument that the chooping and changing on the side cost them.

    As I said at the start of this thread, as far as i was concerned the title was won by Arsenal before wednesday, but when you think he dropped their top goalscorer because he was 'tired' it comes back to the same old problem, he didn't get his squad rotation system right and lets be fair the game on wednesday was evenly matched.


    I would love to know how often, if at all, we've seen a full strength Manchester United side play three consecutive games this season, and there lies the problem <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Toadborg:
    <STRONG>In fact it's equal between Hasselbaink and Nistlerooy on 23 and then Henry is on 22, if you take into account the number of goals scored by the team then Henry has done better <IMG SRC="tongue.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"></STRONG>

    huh? <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    United, as a team, have scored more goals which further underlines what I was saying about United's defence being the reason they lost the title.

    But it doesn't detract from the fact that van Nistlerooy has scored more than Henry...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    As an after thought...

    Who did the PFA vote as their player of the year?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Pires I think ?????????? <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    But it doesn't detract from the fact that van Nistlerooy has scored more than Henry...
    hahahahahahahahahahahahah <IMG SRC="tongue.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> <IMG SRC="tongue.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> <IMG SRC="tongue.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> <IMG SRC="tongue.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by eb:
    <STRONG>Pires I think ?????????? <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"></STRONG>

    No, the Sportswriters voted for him...

    Van Nistlerooy was the professionals choice as Player of The Year, with Bellamy being voted Young Player of the Year...

    ~~~~~

    And Toad, when Henry scored his second, my thoughts turned to this thread instantly...

    Point taken.

    I'd still pick Ruud first... <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'd still pick Ruud first...
    <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> your soooooo biased <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Goals in all competitions <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    1 Nistelrooy Manchester United 40
    2 Henry Arsenal 33
    3 Owen Liverpool 33
    4 Hasselbaink Chelsea 30
    5 Shearer Newcastle United 27
    6 Solskjaer Manchester United 26
    7 Gudjohnsen Chelsea 23
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Those are irrelevant because different players play different numbers of games, you should only count Premiership because thats the only competition everyone gets a fair go in.......

    Goals per game (premiership only <IMG SRC="tongue.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> )

    Henry 0.75
    Ruud 0.74
    Owen 0.68
    Jimmy 0.66
    Shearer 0.62
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