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No it was afigure reached based on all medical trials of these SSRI's up until that point including the more severe depressions.
I do it later
And being told that you have depression through a chemical inbalance is, when there's still no scientific evidence to proove it?
C'mon. People take it as fact when it isn't.
Making people rely on uprooven drugs that carry serious and dangerous risks is fucking far from helpful.
No its not, its technically far more similar to amphetamine.
Conclusive evidence please? Because you won't find it, it doesn't exist.
That depression is caused by inccorect levels of seratonin in the brain is still just THEORY.
And based on that how can SSRI's be a prooven cure?
Spend a little time reading this about the The Serotonin Hypothesis
http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pmed.0020392
They're marketed as a cure but they carry serious risks of increasing suicidal thoughts. Whilst a placebo has been to shown to be 80% effective AT WORST than these SSRI's, these SSRI's have been shown to multiply suicidal thoughts by up to 14 times where as the placebo doesn't. I think that's a seriously worring facr.
Especially when you condider that SSRIs can be linked to many sucides where other 3rd parties have been killed (see school shootings).
What study were you reading? The very one you posted
http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pmed.0050045&ct=1
Again they carry some serious risks. That's a problem right there.
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We understand how pain works and how painkillers work to eleviate that. That's not true of depression and SSRI's
I knew that so I don't know what led me to post otherwise.
We used cain my mates Ritalin when we were younger.
I'll address the rest of your post later, but you must be reading this quote differently from me. If there was absolutely no difference between placebos and anti-depressents, as you claim, then there would be no difference between their effectiveness at the top end. The fact that the difference found by this study is caused by a decrease in responsiveness to placebos is quite inconsequential. The fact is there is a difference, and so the anti-depressents are effective in a way that placebos aren't.
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It's the most prescribed drug in America.
The amount of foster kids in America being prescribed psychotropic drugs is shocking. In Texas two out of 3 foster kids are on one or more psychotropic drug starting with kids as young as 3
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=ISFPJL66p4c&feature=PlayList&p=3D9D6DCC93F1FEA3&index=0
These attitudes are truly scary ...we are supposed to be a free inteligent society ...
Kids in foster care having a few behavoural problem so they're deemed mentally ill. So they give them highly addictive drugs liek SSRIs's that fuck with their brain chemistry, to trun them into good little zombies that do as they're told.
It's outragous.
Of course it was eventualy outlawed.
Now ...the big drug companies drug our children with other substances.
It should be outlawed.
The most evil drug pushers on the planet are ...the big drug companies.
My drugs are illegal ...Their drugs are just fine ...isn't there something wrong here?
But it's OK because it costs £163.80 for the full course and Pfizer can make a shit load of money...
Buts its ok cos the government can rape your wallet to fund nice stuff like tazers, dna databases and shopping trips for minsters relatives.
Except tobacco products don't have 'safe approval' because use of them is associated with severe health risks. There are warnings plastered over cigarette packets, smoking is repeatedly condemned at every opportunity and smoking is not promoted. The government doesn't give away cigarettes...
Except tobacco products don't have 'safe approval' because use of them is associated with severe health risks. There are warnings plastered over cigarette packets, smoking is repeatedly condemned at every opportunity and smoking is not promoted. The government doesn't give away cigarettes...
I havn't claimed that. I have siad that studies have show that trials of these SSRI's have show that a placebo at worst is as effctive as the SSRI in 80% of cases. In some particualr SSRI's it was found that the placebo was just at good as eliviating symptoms.
What we DO know is that this SSRI's increase suicidal thoughts, are highly addictive and fuck with brain chemistry in a way we really don't still fully understand.
Even in severe depression the effctiveness of these drugs has been labeled 'relatively small', and certainly no more effective than older types of anti depressants like tricyclics.
The probelm I have is that these drugs are given out far too easilly by doctors in this country all ready and that nobody seems to want to ask questions. You look in the depression thread in Health and you'll find peoples advice includes "Go to the doctors and ask him for AD's'.
People who have been led to believe that they are more effective than they are. And they carry serious dangers.
You don't find it worrying at all, that SSRI's are the most prescribed drug in America?