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Pay pubs to let non-customers shit in their bogs

Well, it's a Saturday and all that...

"The desperate dash to find a public loo on Britain's high streets could be eased with a plan to pay businesses to open their toilets to non-customers. Pubs and restaurants across the UK will be encouraged to open their toilets in exchange for as much as £600 a year. The government is expected to urge local councils to adopt the scheme in order to address a national shortage. But the British Toilet Association said the idea is only part of the answer to a problem plaguing the nation."
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It's at times like this that I'm grateful that the BBC exists. Any other news outlet would have filled the report of this story with as many toilet-related puns as possible. I'm also astonished that a body called the British Toilet Association actually exists, but I digress. Anyway, my opinion on this. I have noticed public toilets being neglected and shut down over the years by councils who have other priorities. But I don't see any reason why pubs, who are going through something of a bad period right now, should help out the government like this. What they're being told is "well, we shut down the public toilets, so any chance we can pay you to let them use yours?". If I ran such a pub, I'd tell them exactly where to go.

Is this an innovative way of dealing with the problem, and possibly helping out our struggling pub trade? Or is it just a cheap gimmick which allows councils to hide the fact they've been closing down public bogs?

Over to you, ladies and gentlemen, and no tabloid puns please... :p
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    the British Toilet Association
    My mind has boggled ...
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    JsTJsT Posts: 18,268 Skive's The Limit
    Ask yourself why public toilets have been closed down? Its exactly the same reason why train stations no longer have waiting rooms, bus shelters are being taken down and many many others, all caused by the same reason.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    JsT wrote: »
    Ask yourself why public toilets have been closed down? Its exactly the same reason why train stations no longer have waiting rooms, bus shelters are being taken down and many many others, all caused by the same reason.
    yeah ...people piss in them.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Not only do they exist, but I have accompanied a Minister giving a speech at one of their events (how's that as a claim to fame?)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    yeah ...people piss in them.

    :lol:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »

    It's at times like this that I'm grateful that the BBC exists. Any other news outlet would have filled the report of this story with as many toilet-related puns as possible. I'm also astonished that a body called the British Toilet Association actually exists, but I digress. Anyway, my opinion on this. I have noticed public toilets being neglected and shut down over the years by councils who have other priorities. But I don't see any reason why pubs, who are going through something of a bad period right now, should help out the government like this. What they're being told is "well, we shut down the public toilets, so any chance we can pay you to let them use yours?". If I ran such a pub, I'd tell them exactly where to go.

    Is this an innovative way of dealing with the problem, and possibly helping out our struggling pub trade? Or is it just a cheap gimmick which allows councils to hide the fact they've been closing down public bogs?

    Over to you, ladies and gentlemen, and no tabloid puns please... :p

    On a serious note, its a good idea. the pub gets £600 a year for virtually no extra cost and the local authority (ie the taxpayer) can reduce costs

    (is the pub trade struggling? it seems to be doing rather well for itself as the only boarded up pubs I see are those where the customers have broken the windows)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    mcshitters finally gets paid for it!
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    JsTJsT Posts: 18,268 Skive's The Limit
    yeah ...people piss in them.
    Or more accurately piss away from the urinals, set fire to it, graffiti it...............
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It may sound silly, but it's a pretty important issue. How many times have you been out for the day, suddenly needed to go for a leak, and find that the public toilets have been closed? Or, more likely, find that there's shit all over the floor and graffiti on the back of the cubicle door saying "£50 for a full-blown, anything goes fuck, call Lardy Linda on 079..."?
    On a serious note, its a good idea. the pub gets £600 a year for virtually no extra cost and the local authority (ie the taxpayer) can reduce costs
    It sounds a good idea. However, I can see pubs putting up resistance to this. Firstly, the more people that use the toilets, the more often they will have to be cleaned. That means more cleaning materials will be needed, and it may push up staffing costs. So, that £600 might not actually go very far.
    (is the pub trade struggling? it seems to be doing rather well for itself as the only boarded up pubs I see are those where the customers have broken the windows)
    Well, pubs aren't going out of business on a huge scale or anything. It's just that several pubs have been saying their profits are down in the last year or so. They're citing factors such as new gambling laws, the fact you can't smoke in pubs anymore, people spending more on mortgages and so on...
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    JsTJsT Posts: 18,268 Skive's The Limit
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    However, I can see pubs putting up resistance to this. Firstly, the more people that use the toilets, the more often they will have to be cleaned. That means more cleaning materials will be needed, and it may push up staffing costs. So, that £600 might not actually go very far.

    I dont think many pubs will use more than £600 a year exra, especially considering most of the stuff they use (bleach, bog roll etc) will be bulk purchased.

    If you go on the basis of 20p a go (which is what you'd probably pay in a railway station) £600 equates to an extra 3000 'visits' a year.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Surely only members of the british toilet association care?
    Can i now expect the monthly magazine from the british toilet association to appear on i've got news for you?
    Is it like free masonry?
    Can anyone join?
    What are the benefits?
    All these questions going through my mind.
    Do members get discounts?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Membership, as an indiviudal, will cost you about £40. Take a look at their website for more answers. Apparently, "Britain's public toilets were once the envy of the world". You couldn't make it up.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    Membership, as an indiviudal, will cost you about £40. Take a look at their website for more answers. Apparently, "Britain's public toilets were once the envy of the world". You couldn't make it up.

    thanx for the link but i daren''t look ...or my friends might think i'm planning on going cottaging ...heaven forbid that such a thing could happen to me!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    thanx for the link but i daren''t look ...or my friends might think i'm planning on going cottaging ...heaven forbid that such a thing could happen to me!
    I think you've just unintentionally stumbled across another reason why councils are shutting down public toilets. I doubt local authorities want the kind of publicity that cottaging would bring them in the newspapers.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Iceland has no public toilets that I know of. I don't think anyone really cares. Is it really a big deal not to have them?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jaloux wrote: »
    Iceland has no public toilets that I know of. I don't think anyone really cares. Is it really a big deal not to have them?
    When your busting for a dump it is.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jaloux wrote: »
    Iceland has no public toilets that I know of. I don't think anyone really cares. Is it really a big deal not to have them?
    Well, if you're out in public over in Iceland, and you suddenly need to a piss, where do you go? What are people supposed to do - pee in the nearest bin or something?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well theres many pubs under going financial difficulties at the moment.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I already find the nearest pub/restaurant/cafe when I need the loo and I'm out.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    JsT wrote: »
    Ask yourself why public toilets have been closed down? Its exactly the same reason why train stations no longer have waiting rooms, bus shelters are being taken down and many many others, all caused by the same reason.

    Immigration!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    xsazx wrote: »
    Reykjavik does somewhere with a massive glass ball ontop lol only remember because our tour guide tried to poison us outside them with dried yellow yukkie fish and butter :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: lol

    yea don't see a problem there aren't hardly any around our way anymore anyway

    They're old water tanks and it's a tourist place today. :) Using the toilets there is similar to going to the loo in shopping malls. The government isn't funding the maintenance of those.

    You ask around or go where you know they are, I've never had trouble when I'm out and about. Haven't heard anyone complain about it either.
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    JsTJsT Posts: 18,268 Skive's The Limit
    drachir wrote: »
    Immigration!
    Nah, Privatisation!

    :p
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    MrG wrote: »
    Well theres many pubs under going financial difficulties at the moment.
    Cash in on the poo pound!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    katralla wrote: »
    I already find the nearest pub/restaurant/cafe when I need the loo and I'm out.

    yeah me too and its nearly always fine.
    i doubt many would turn down an extra 600 quid for something they already do.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If you ask permission they almost never say no.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've never known a place say no when I've asked.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    In a lot of other countries you always have to pay to use the loo. Here in Poland it can be as much as 45p a pee! Which is pretty annoying.

    Public toilets are a necessity, especially for older people, pregnant women, and others with certain conditions.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    To be fair most people use a pub's bogs anyway, nothing you can do to stop it really, might as well pay the landlord.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There is a japanese cafe near me with a sign that says:
    Toilets are for customers only.
    Or small children.
    Or really desperate people.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    katchika wrote: »
    Public toilets are a necessity, especially for older people, pregnant women, and others with certain conditions.

    Exactly.

    Wasn't too happy that I had to pay 20p in Paddington station to o to the toilet.
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