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NHS CRB check

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
Just lost my second job for an NHS hospital because of my criminal record. Won't go into details, that's a separate matter. I have 1 caution, which I was told was informal (thats the separate matter).

NHS lady basically said I lied on the form when it asked me to declare any cautions. Looked at the form just now and all it says is: "Have you ever had a criminal conviction?". Answered no.

Am I right?

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I would have said the same.

    Conviction implies you were convicted...

    It's probably worth getting in touch with your local police (I think it's them that deals with this) and get the caution clarified. It could well be that it's appearing on the CRB checks wrong which would explain the problem (and has been known to happen).
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Thanks Scary Monster, will do.

    Anyone know anything about complaining about unfair treatment by the NHS? (from a recruitment perspective, of course)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    A caution isn't a criminal conviction but is a criminal admission of guilt. Something the police aren't very hot at pointing out to people who haven't done it but are in a rush to get out of the cells.

    Some cautions do show up on an extended CRB check. You would need to contact the police to make sure that the caution isn't showing up incorrectly.

    To answer your other thread, though, if you do not have a clear CRB then you will not be appointed to the post.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Thanks Kermit :)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    TBH if you are applying within the NHS then extended will apply because of the public safety aspect. You don't give details, so I'm assuming it's for something more serious than "shoplifting".
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well it's a caution, so it can only be so serious by nature of the thing.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yeah but a caution for "common assault" is more of interest when you will be working with patient, for example.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Equally if you were cautioned for something like indecent assault or viewing child pornography (not that I'm saying you were) then you would be on the Sex Offenders Register despite not having a criminal conviction as such.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote: »
    Equally if you were cautioned for something like indecent assault or viewing child pornography (not that I'm saying you were) then you would be on the Sex Offenders Register despite not having a criminal conviction as such.

    :yes: ... you don't ave to say what it was if you don't want to.
    but where public safety is an issue an enhanced CRB check has to be made, and it will show up anything and everything. and for something like the NHS, spent convictions have to be declared as well. most forms i've seen make that very clear, what job was it that you were applying for? a good tip too is ''put it all down on the form'' and if you are unsure about adding it - ask.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Hah, oh yes I've learnt that lesson now otter lol
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sorry to drag this up.

    My mum has worked with kids in the past - its her vocation really - but after my dad died some people were playing pranks on her and she went round and broke a window. She admitted straight up to the police and they told the others off, said they were displaying disgusting behaviour (this was about a fortnight after he passed away, and they were bringing him up in the things they were saying - two teenage girls and a 'mother' who pimps out her own daughter...).

    Anyway, the police got her to sign a caution or whatever as she had broken a window, but said the others wouldn't get compensation because it was aggravated - I don't know the details. Basically 'they were wrong but so were you'.

    She's looking for jobs now and is really worried that this is going to turn up. They are jobs with vulnerable children - survivors of abuse etc. all her interviewers have said she sounds perfect and has lots of experience with kids. Even now she has kids round here all the bloody time :p.

    Whats the official status on this then. Does she need to declare it? She's phoned the police, they can't tell her over the phone. She has to print off a form, fill it in, send it to them, and it gets returned within 40 days detailing all past convictions etc. - but she's looking for jobs now (this is a really good sign, she hasn't really had the will to since dad died until now).

    It's really unfortunate. The interviewers love her, she gets on really well with kids, is committed to kids, and the one indiscretion on her record is where she was provoked quite seriously.

    Asked mum what the caution actually was, she said she thinks it was 'misconduct' or 'bad behaviour'. With the beaurocracy the way it is, wont know for a month and a half the exact details... *sigh*

    edit: mum isnt sure if she was officially cautioned, the other three were charged. But takes so long to find out for sure (at the time mum was obviously upset)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ShyBoy, I would possibly think employers would be quite sympathetic given your mothers circumstance. Perhaps if she explained in person that something might show up but it happened because of X,Y and Z they might still give her a chance. I suppose it depends on how hot the employer is on those sort of things.

    I hope she finds herself something though :)
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