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UK - Want a job? Need a passport!
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How convenient that ID cards will not be compulsory but you'll have to have one if you want a passport. And now you'll need a passport if you want to work! Just another step closer to Police State UK.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23422766-details/Why+ALL+of+us+will+have+to+produce+a+passport+to+get+a+job+in+Britain/article.do
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23422766-details/Why+ALL+of+us+will+have+to+produce+a+passport+to+get+a+job+in+Britain/article.do
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The new rules do seem to be taking things a bit too far in some areas.
remind me how it will stop terroism?
anyway this is old news, simply because they said voluntary, as in, if you choose to get a passport or driver's license you need an Id card to go with it..... so it's utterly pointless
hell i'd rather go to prison frankly, what did we win the 2nd world war for
Lets not pretend ID would stop terrorist getting into the country. Terrorists are already in the country. At the moment they are working as doctors, teachers and civil servants.
I don't want an ID card at all, I would be happy to move abroad than have to carry and ID card.
My big problem is that the government have recently shown they can't be trusted to look after the details they have about us!
Now, given this government's 1984-esque tendencies I can see why there are grave concerns about a chipped card that might be able to monitor your movements, purchases etc. But how about a completely 'passive' card? In other words, a photo card with no chip, barcode, magnetic strip or any other such interactive device? Would you still be so opposed to that?
When travelling around Europe I always feel quite jealous of people who have an ID card as... ID even though it obviously does the same job (just not on as far-ranging a basis) as a passport. I think I'd quite like one, in fact...
maybe im missing the point, but i really dont see the issue. the only problem i could see would be if there was a incured financial loss
What would be the point in such an innocuous card be?
Though, as someone pointed out, how an I.D. card is going to stop terrorism/ists i've no idea.
In Spain ID cards have existed forever and nobody has ever given a second of thought to entertain the notion that they might be less free because of it. People tend to find them very useful actually and the cards simply many tasks from opening bank accounts to proving one's age to allowing travel to the EU without the need of a passport.
How do you think carrying an ID card is going to stop people blowing themselves up?
What IS relevant is how ID cards can be useful in a) opening bank accounts, b) proving age when buying age-restricted products, c) providing identity and residency when accepting a job, d) proving identity in tons of circumstances where previously you'd be required to bring a passport, driving licence, utility bill etc etc...
Paedophiles in schools? WHAT?!? Are you suggesting that having an ID card would make identifying paedophiles applying for a school caretaker job easier to spot? Or, perhaps a proper police check might suffice...
Criminals on the loose, terrorists in hiding... yes, because the first thought of CO19 when they burst through the doors of a suspected Al-Quaeda nest is to say 'excuse me, do you mind if I see your ID cards?'
I think you're living in cloud cuckoo land if you truly believe that ID cards will do ANYTHING to solve terrorism. They will help with illegal immigration, that's true. They have virtually no benefit whatsoever in combating any type of violent crime.
ID cards will only help control criminal activity and terrorism if you're advocating powers for the police to randomly stop anyone at all, demand their ID card and check to see if they've been committing any crimes. Firstly, that's like returning to Nazi Germany, allowing police unlimited power to stop anyone they don't like the look of. Secondly, one of the main problems with crime is the inability to identify those responsible. You name one form of crime that you think will be effectively reduced by introducing ID cards, and i'll tell you why that's not the case.
Do you mean 7/7 or 9/11? I don't see how ID cards would've prevented 7/7. They were legitimate residents of the UK travelling to London and boarding the tube, much as you yourself might on any given day. If they had ID cards, that wouldn't have changed the fact that they had bombs in their backpacks.
Anyway, if you can fake passports and driving licences, it'll probably be possible to fake ID cards.
No, the question is why are ID cards being offered? What is their direct benefit to the citizens of the United Kingdom?
How will they be able to track people? Installing GPS in the ID cards? Do you really want your every move to be recorded on some Government computer somewhere?
Do you mean, provide checkable ID when they start a new job, or when they arrive at work?
Let's create an imaginary terror suspect, and to avoid inciting racial hatred, we'll call him 'Fortescue Robinson-Smythe' - or something to that effect. Fortescue was born to Muslim parents in Britain, was a well-rounded individual all through his childhood, until one day, he hears the teachings of a radical Shi'ite cleric at his local mosque. Inspired, he joins the following of said cleric and leaves Britain to go to Pakistan, where he spends six months learning the true way of Allah and how to destroy the infidels and unbelievers of the west. He then returns to Britain with the details of his plan to be a suicide bomber on the tube.
Fortescue now goes for the job of 'Customer Service Manager' at a Tesco's in Wolverhampton. How, by presenting an ID card, does that make this country safer? Fortescue has committed no previous crimes - it's not going to stop Tescos from employing him. Are MI5 going to be clapping their hands together, they now have definitive proof that Fortescue is now working for a £4 billion company?
I just don't get how it'll help protect the country from terrorism!!!
ID cards only make tracing people marginally easier - but they only help if you know who you're trying to trace in the first place. They can't help you identify new threats, only keep an eye on old ones.
I would have no problem with my details being recorded if I thought it would help stop real criminals. However - I don't believe it will.
People who are caught with CCTV are caught because they allow their face to be seen. However - people who commit crime with a mask over their face can't be identified using CCTV. How is this going to help cut crime further? Unless they drop their ID card on the way out that is...
What would be the point of such a card? If its just for identifcation then my passport proves that.
if you want proof of age, use a driver's license, it's REALLY cheap strangely enough
i have nothing to hide apart from my private life which is MY private life
almost every government employee will be able to access it
it won't stop terroists, unless there's a 'tick here if you're a terroist section'
the act that allowed them go through says the government could add any detail it wants in the future
as far as i'm aware the government is accountable to the people who vote them in, not the opposite
illegal immigrants, well they'll find people who want illegals to work for them
in fact all they do is add another line of bureaucracy, they aren't even trying to make them practical, if they were practical they'd be like a photocard with a little chip and pin on, which has details like residency status and drivers license status and is yours and belongs to you - instead it's just another card....
Where you'd probably be forced to carry an ID card.....?
the UK one is probably the most comprehensive centralised one ever, we didm't win the 2nd world war for no reason....
germany has Id cards it's also one of the most private countries in europe as it's just a card with name, DOB & current address
Unless you want to put a GPS tracking chip and have the Government know exactly where you are every single moment of the day....
I'm dead against them. We have passports, driver's license, national insurance cards, student IDs, NUS cards, organ donation cards etc etc etc. We don't need this. It's a waste of money (our money), in an attempt to appease the masses who think that us giving up even more of our personal freedoms is enough of a sacrifice to protect us from a nameless, stateless, faceless enemy... We're being treated like sheep here, and we're being led to the slaughter, and what's more, we're doing it willingly.
Things never got this bad even when the IRA was bombing mainland UK, and back then we *knew* who the 'bad guys' were...
The Spain bombers had ID cards...
When you think about it a passive ID card makes a lot of sense. In fact, it wouldn't be any different to driving licences, Proof of Age cards or passports as far as government holding information about citizens is concerned.
I will concede however that the ID cards proposed by the government are quite different from a 'passive' card and raise far more concerns.