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BBC News 24 engage in more lies

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Not the hugest of deceptions, I quite agree, but if they are prepared to lie about this, what else are they prepared to lie about to "sex up" the story?

So much for the BBC being the "impartial and neutral" broadcaster it claims to be, especially when all the other news networks managed to cover the story without resorting to bare-faced lies and deceit.
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    thats stupid, why would they do that?? surely if one has a respirator in ones gob, one cannot audibly cry?:chin:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    In the list of things I worry about within the BBC, adding a soundtrack comes about 999th. There's lot of things the BBC needs to do to tighten up its journalism, but does this make any change to the story or is just floss...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The phrase 'clutching at straws' comes to my mind. We all know you hate the BBC, we all know you think its full to the brim with liars and cheats.

    This didnt change the story, it didnt mislead, it was just a pointless add on which they shouldnt have done but its not even close to the out and out lies the Tabloids get away with every day.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well I'm shocked! If that is not all the justification anyone would need for getting rid of the Licence Fee, I don't know what is!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Next you'll be telling us the animal noises on David Attenborough's documentaries aren't from the animals on camera. :rolleyes: It's called filmmaking.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teagan wrote: »
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    Sums up my response to this story quice nicely, I think.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote: »
    Well I'm shocked! If that is not all the justification anyone would need for getting rid of the Licence Fee, I don't know what is!

    Aren't you supposed to finish it

    -Shocked of South London :)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's more the principle of the whole thing. Given Blue Peter's scandals, the BBC is supposed to be "whiter than white", and yet again a deliberate deception has been uncovered.

    It is only a small thing, but if they're prepared to do this to a tiny little story of no significance, it surely means that they are equally prepared to do it when the story is of huge significane. I suppose Andrew Gilligan proved the BBC has a limited grasp on the truth.

    The TV Tax (call it what it is) is disgusting, but not because of the BBC's lies and deceit. It's just interesting that a QUANGO that supposedly is "impartial and neutral" cannot even tell a cute-fluffy-bunny story without resorting to fabrication.
  • Indrid ColdIndrid Cold Posts: 16,688 Skive's The Limit
    Where did my post here go? :confused:

    I said something like
    *scratches head* What's the point of adding sound?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The standard of News Reporting these days is pretty poor and not very varied

    ITV closed it's news channel not long ago. I just canceled the News Subscription on Sky as it wasn't worth it- luckily Aljazeera English is part of the other set of channels so can still watch that for a change from the usual BBC / CNN style of reporting. Highly recommend giving it a watch if you have access to it.

    http://english.aljazeera.net/English

    http://www.youtube.com/aljazeeraenglish
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The best news going is Channel Four News; it's the only one that doesn't SHOUT at you with RANDOM intonation and PRETEND that you are STUPID.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote: »

    It is only a small thing, but if they're prepared to do this to a tiny little story of no significance, it surely means that they are equally prepared to do it when the story is of huge significane.
    No it doesn't. But don't let that get in the way of a good rant :p
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote: »
    No it doesn't. But don't let that get in the way of a good rant :p

    OK, I won't.

    Of course Lord Hutton showed that the BBC are prepared to lie about the big things too;)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Really no different from just about every other new agency in the world.

    None are to be trusted, all "sex-up" stories.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote: »
    It's more the principle of the whole thing. Given Blue Peter's scandals, the BBC is supposed to be "whiter than white", and yet again a deliberate deception has been uncovered.

    It is only a small thing, but if they're prepared to do this to a tiny little story of no significance, it surely means that they are equally prepared to do it when the story is of huge significane. I suppose Andrew Gilligan proved the BBC has a limited grasp on the truth.

    The TV Tax (call it what it is) is disgusting, but not because of the BBC's lies and deceit. It's just interesting that a QUANGO that supposedly is "impartial and neutral" cannot even tell a cute-fluffy-bunny story without resorting to fabrication.

    Sorry but using this as an example of the BBC "fabricating" a story is utter crap. The story happened, and the job of television news is to tell the story in the visual medium, which means using such magical devices as editing. You complaint in this instance has absolutely no basis whatsoever, and just reveals yet again that you're willing to criticise the BBC for absolutely anything they do, no matter how unjustified because you disagree with how they are funded. If you want to start a discussion about the licence fee then do it, but don't bring petty stories about how the BBC (shock, horror) edited a piece of video footage. The clue is in the fact that you'll see the credit "Editor" at the end of every programme.

    The complaint about the queen story was justified, not because of the way it was edited, but because they made the false factual claim that she stormed out when she didn't. If the babies crying was an integral part to the storyline, then there would be an issue. It wasn't, so there isn't.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The story happened, and the job of television news is to tell the story in the visual medium, which means using such magical devices as editing. You complaint in this instance has absolutely no basis whatsoever

    All the other major news channels, including Sky, managed to deal withj the news story and the footage without resorting to pathetic dubbing to "sex up" a story.

    So attacking the BBC for a pointless piece of subterfuge (that costs more money) is entirely justified.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think that there is good reason to raise this issue, because it highlights the major disparity of what we expect from news outlets, and what actually occurs.

    The received wisdom (especially of the BBC) is that it a reasonably reliable source, where what you see is what you get. It does not matter so much that it was babies crying; rather that someone thought that they needed to make the depiction of reality more 'real'.

    This should be of concern to anyone who is concerned about the information upon which we make judgments, as much of it comes from this source. Its the fact that the would have done this in the first place without giving the viewer the information about how it had been edited. In order to judge information in a reasonably accurate fashion, it follows that we should have some awareness of the circumstances within which it was produced.

    Perhaps the voracity of the criticism contained in the post title wasn't proportional to the story about quintuplets, but there is a serious point here.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Perhaps the voracity of the criticism contained in the post title wasn't proportional to the story about quintuplets, but there is a serious point here.

    There is a serious point about news management, but the risk is that concentrating on triviliaties obscures it. It's like the boy who cries wolf - when a serious problem does come along we've become so inured to the minor things that we miss it.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Like anything, if you want a balanced view point don't just stick with one source, use a few, then form your own opinion.

    I'm not a big fan of the BBC, coincidentally, I'm actually reading Can we trust the BBC? by Robin Aiken and much of it makes grim reading but with regard to the original post, it's not a big deal.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    News is not filmmaking.

    Since when? Why don't we just have someone sat behind a desk reading a script to us with no footage then?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote: »
    All the other major news channels, including Sky, managed to deal withj the news story and the footage without resorting to pathetic dubbing to "sex up" a story.

    So attacking the BBC for a pointless piece of subterfuge (that costs more money) is entirely justified.

    Costs more money? You think they have to pay to put a baby noise on a soundtrack?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Costs more money? You think they have to pay to put a baby noise on a soundtrack?

    The baby noise didn't pay for itself, nor did the dubbing editor.

    It is a trivial thing, but the point is this: if the BBC can't even report a little story about which nobody cares without resorting to lies and deceit, then clearly the boundary that says news is 100% fact has been passed. Because they're prepared to lie about this little thing, clearly they will be prepared to lie about a big thing too.

    The actual incident is neither here nor there; the fact that there is a proven culture of deceit at the BBC should be of concern to all of us. Especially as we haven't got any fucking choice but to pay for this shit.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote: »
    The baby noise didn't pay for itself, nor did the dubbing editor.

    Well the sound editor would be paid regardless of how much sound editing is required (incidentally, such a small video would've most likely been edited by a single person on their laptop), and the baby noise certainly did pay for itself, unless you actually believe that an organisation such as the BBC doesn't own their own sound library and record their own sounds.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Im sue its much the same thing as every news story the website runs about babies has that same picture of baby feet in it . Theyre not the actual feet of the baby the story is about cos they use the same pic for everything, therefore how can you trust the content of anything else on that site.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote: »
    Story.

    Not the hugest of deceptions, I quite agree, but if they are prepared to lie about this, what else are they prepared to lie about to "sex up" the story?

    So much for the BBC being the "impartial and neutral" broadcaster it claims to be, especially when all the other news networks managed to cover the story without resorting to bare-faced lies and deceit.

    It is shocking. Know why it happened? Because the BBC have had to make massive cuts in staff to satisfy a government which holds them firmly its grip. So with fewer staff they have more 'multi-skilling', less training and as a result more mistakes. They probably gave this very tabloid story to a trainee as a possible filler or 'good news' piece. The Trainee probably got a little creative thinking this was his first chance to impress. Took a trip to the music library, came away with and 'ECD' sound effects disc, did a bit of tweaking, they ran it and......


    That's what happens.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ok....

    firstly, the Licence is not set nor inforced by the BBC. It is and always has been a Government inforced fee.

    Secondly, The BBC has a huge music and sound library. All music used on any moving images has to be cleared for use (not least because some is very expensive and difficult to clear) -this should be done before the programme is broadcast, if it is not then in some rare cases it can be very costly. Same with Images (photographs/stills etc) which are even more complicated as far as copyright goes.

    Sound Effects I am not sure about. There's a standard collection of Sound FX discs which have the prefix ECD (ECD 69 is called 'bits and bobs', and has the sound of a stylus being jerked off vinyl on it). Whether these were recorded for or by the BBC I don't know. I don't think there is any cost to the BBC for using these. However, if they used a sound effect of a rugby crowd and the rugby crowd was singing 'my my my Delilah' they would have to report the music so that the composer and publisher get paid.


    The BBC does hold a large collection of BBC copyright material including Film footage, News Footage, Sport Footage, Photographs and some specially composed music. Aside from re-using these materials the BBC also sells them to other TV companies/film makers/publishers and musicians - that's one of the ways the BBC funds itself.



    I know all this because this is my job. I also know that some people who use the library are not aware of the fact that mis-use of music or images can be costly, either that or they are too busy or too short staffed to actually clear and report the material they are using. On the other hand there are many people working at the BBC who do a good, thorough, competent job.
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