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erm sorry....did you go to my school? no. didnt think so, so dont patronise please....
we had the best sex ed we could have been given
talked about emotions as well as the mechanics, a huge empahsis was put on relationships as well
we had our own "Sex & relationships" book that we made ourselves, started at the beginning e.g who we are, how we've grown up from babies and went right on to talk about emotions (not just sex related ones) then sperm then hormones, then puberty, then babies
the teacher who taught us is actually due to have a book out on how to teach sex ed to youngsters
so better sex education isnt the be all and end all of he abortion problem, like i said, not all abortions are performed on 16 year olds....I;m not saying sex ed shouldnt be improved, but it IMO it wont dramatically change statistics and abortion rates
chances are, if you are having sex, you know you can get pregnant....i dont think many people need sex ed to tell them that
I think his case (and I agree with it) is that it can't have been that great if those receiving it still went on to get pregnant at 16......
Now, what was being put across may have been very good, but that in itself is no good if i t's not getting the message into some peoples heads.
ok so what else can you educate on?
we were educated on
emotions
relationships
puberty
masturbation
hormones
love
sperm
eggs, tubes, womb
how babies are made
how to stop babies being made
how do u "improve" that? it wasnt a case of "man puts penis in vagina and makes a baby" or "put this condom on a banana!
dont really think there is an awful lot left to teach to be honest?
the thing is, when you are 15, met a boy you "love", have older friends who have all "done it", if you wanna have sex, you will...regardless of what you are taught at school
i had sex at 15....but that was because i was ready...not stupid.
some of my peers had parents who didnt care where they were, what they were up to, what they drank, who thay hung around with and THATS what pushed them towards sex...NOT their lack of education IMO
i chose to protect myself because i had aspirations....wanted to be something, and a baby would have stopped that....lots of kids my age dont see a future so dont care if they end up pregnant or not. I'm not saying thats the only reason, but i think its a big factor
and i love the way people keep ignoring my other point.....
anyhoo, gettin a bit off topic now i guess...harping on about how good my sex ed was...but it was...and i stand by that! if it wasnt, more of us may have ended up young parents haha!
By who? Where? When?
Abortion is easy to obtain in this country and I don't have a problem with that. The difficulty is that it doesn't encourage safe sex and can be used as a form on contraception.
Economic coercion.
its a form on contraception, and if goaway can confirm it's not exactly a nice procedure after 1st or 2nd trimester but up to then it's just a medication in the main?
In what way?
Two words is hardly an explanation of the comment you made, is it? What form doe sthe "economic coercion" take and how does it actually impact on birth rates?
Because of the emphasis of work these days, people need to work longer and harder to afford the high cost of living in the UK. Basically people can't afford to have children and this suites the government and companies down to the ground as there is more productivity and profits to be made. If you are going to bring up immigration, a baby child can't serve you at McDonalds or build you a house but your Polish neighbour can.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6729953.stm
1.87 is still a relatively low number compared to anywhere else outside developed countries.
It's generally accepted that a fertility rate of 2 is needed to keep a population going on. I think you'll find that as countries get more developed and bring in more immigrants for work, fertility rates go down.
I wish I had something like that when I was taught - I was only taught about periods (and all the stuff related to it) changes in the body during puberty and how babies are made
How is that patronising? You said it didn't have any positive effect on teen pregnancies. Good sex education is one that has a positive effect on the number of teen pregnancies and STD's. There are good schemes out there that do result in a reduction. You claim that your school's didn't, therefore, your school's can't have been as good as you claim, can it? Either that, or it is a good scheme as you claim, and without it, teen pregnancies would've been even higher in your school, which you could only ever speculate about.
The fact is that sex education of this kind is proven to work on a large scale. Just because in individual cases it doesn't work, doesn't mean that overall it isn't a far more effective system. I mean in an individual case, someone wearing a seatbelt in a crash may die, and someone not wearing one may live, but that doesn't mean that wearing a seatbelt doesn't make you less likely to die in a crash.
I think the point you make about it not being effective in your school though, may be indicitive of the main issue. There's no point in giving kids in one school this kind of education, then as soon as they hang out with kids from other schools without it, the predominant social attitudes towards sex takes over, and all that good work goes out of the window. It has to be every school in the country imo, or it won't have a great effect.
An interesting point about the same thing in Holland was that it took a generation to have any sort of profound effect. This suggests that you're looking at parents educated in this way, then passing this information onto their kids, creating more communication and education at home, as well as the in the school. We should've done it 20 years ago, and what worries me that it's not even been implimented on a wide scale yet, so we could be looking at another 15 years before things change.
The same tehniques wont work for everyone, and she said she found it brilliant. it sounds a lot more comprehensive than a lot of peoples sex ed. Unfortunately it didnt make everyone not want to have kids early, but that doesnt automatically make it worthless. You have to take into account that everyone has their own agenda. These other girls could have just got pregnant DESPITE having good sex ed. They may have had other stuff going on in their lives that made them make those decisions that they would have made whatever kind of education they had.
Well that was my point. There will always be individual cases where it doesn't work, but you can't argue with the statistics as a whole. And since the statistics are where the problems lie in the first place......